How would a different, local store, get around the tariffs? Unless you find a shop who had them in stock before getting a tariff-enhanced shipment, you are going to run into the same situation... It's not just "a Lancaster thing."

 

b -

The used market is your friend.

Viper1 out.

 

b -

The used market is your friend.

Viper1 out.

Believe me, I've been watching...

 

I expected the Hoyt RCVR line to go up since made overseas but haven't seen any changes so far.. If Hoyts list price holds fast, I'll expect to see a sharp increase in RCVR series bows on the shooting line.

 

How would a different, local store, get around the tariffs? Unless you find a shop who had them in stock before getting a tariff-enhanced shipment, you are going to run into the same situation... It's not just "a Lancaster thing."

That is exactly why I'm asking, in hopes maybe a local shop still has inventory at pre-tariff prices. Not all stores have an internet version. It's a long shot but never hurts to ask here.

 

Generally, even if a shop has old stock they will apply the new prices to that inventory as well.

 

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Generally, even if a shop has old stock they will apply the new prices to that inventory as well.

Yeah, they kinda have too; it's not the new cost, it's the replacement costs.

Things show up in the classifieds here and ask around when going to local shoots / matches. There are always the "bow of the month club" guys hanging around.

Viper1 out.

 

I had a 25" ATF-DX in my cart at Lancaster for my son, left it overnight to get confirmation from a coach on limbs, and the price went from $999.99 to $1,449.00 They said WNS just updated their manufacturer pricing. Time to find another riser I guess...

 

Ouch, sorry. That is a HUGE jump for ATF-DX. So it's not just due to tariffs? WNS/Wiawis is also upping their list prices?

 

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All of these pieces of equipment are highly discretionary purchases. A quick look at the Lancaster catalogue shows that Hoyt equipment is very attractive in comparison with the Korean brands, which just leaped in price. Buying high end Korean equipment just became a luxury goods purchase!

It used to be that most archery goods would fall under the de minimis exemption, but no more.

 

Other establishments have significantly lower prices (England). I wonder if you would get dinged for tariffs shipping from there...

 

I'm afraid the answer is yes, Glenn. Had a buddy who ordered two risers from Sid and got dinged pretty hard.

 

I thought they would but just didn't know if it had started yet. I wonder if they based it on country of manufacture and how they determined the value...

 

I wish I could say with some degree of certainty. In the Border case, it was the aluminum tariff which existed before the elimination the de minimis exclusion and country specific tariffs.

 

W&W prices appear static in the UK. The ATF-DX is approx £650 ($900). Meta LX is pretty pricey but sub £1000. GMX3 was £799 but new colours/xceed2 etc are just under £900. It makes them a very premium price vs W&W (Still cheaper than the Meta LX).

The new Hoyt limbs are crazy here almost £1200 which is £300 more than Axia, £300-350 more than the most expensive W&W and £550 more than the NS-G (which won 2nd and 3rd in mens recurve at the WC). I’ve been shooting Hoyt since 1996. First the wood core Axia disappeared from UK (so I had to buy W&W) now there is a huge price hike. I assume there is some kind of tariff impact on raw materials (or maybe seeing a contraction in their markets or maybe we’re just getting ripped off) but an ATF-DX with NSG limbs is £1300 or 1450 with NS XP and Xceed 2 with Metrix is £2000. Hoyt pricing is no longer even close to competitive.

The risers are still just about in reach, the limbs - only if you’re nuts.

So looks like you guys will be shooting Hoyt and everyone else will be shooting Korean!

Stretch

 

Well that makes a great amount of sense, as many countries applied retaliatory tariffs, when the US implemented their reciprocal tariffs. Hoyt now is relatively less expensive in the US, while brands other than Hoyt in the UK, stayed the same

 

I see Hoyt apparently has discontinued (at least that is what I see at LAS) the 900 dollar Axia limbs in favor of some new-almost 1200 dollar limbs-leaving a huge void between their intro limbs and their top of the line limbs

The Axia lasted what-less than 2 years?

 

A bit of confusion about tariffs (=import duties) for Archery Products:

EEC import duties from USA were and still are 2.7%
EEC import duties from China were and still are 2.7%
EEC import duties from UK were and still are 0%

UK import Duties from EEC for archery products were and still are 0%
USA import Duties from EEC were 0% and now are 15% + 50% over Aluminium and Steel content (best guess at present, practical situation is a total mess)
USA import duties Duties from China and Korea are ... frankly I don't know, but similar or more than from EEC

This is just related to import duties, then you should add VAT in EEC countries and UK (from 17 tp 23%) and Excise tax + sales tax in USA ( 11%+ 8% in general), so similar in any case.

So any aluminium made riser has

• same price as before if sold in Europe or UK
• 16 to 50% price more if sold in USA by a local importer or (from August 29) imported directly by the final user.

This situation does not exempt USA makers from cost increases because of import duties for raw materials, depending from the origin. Many aluminium compound bodies for several US manufacturers are originally forged in Italy, for instance, and 50% tariff comes to effect for them too.

 

Thanks for the clarification Vittorio. It’s a crazy world. With a 10% favourable exchange rates you kind of expect a more positive pass through but nope 🙂‍↔ I think there is going to be an even bigger shift towards W&W and Fivics in the UK at these prices.

Stretch

 

Helpful summary Vittorio. If these tariffs/duties continue for the next few years, it'll be interesting to see how much of a shift it creates in brand "preference" by region.

 

Brand preference by region, as you mention, has different meanings depending on regions and objectives of international and/or local Arcehry organizations.
The largest archery gear producer in the world which is China, has this year shifted (compulsory) their internal school system to locally made archery products only, and is pushing archery in the schools, same as Korea did long time ago. It means incredible volumes of products now made for domestic market only, partially replacing the fall of exports to USA. But this is of course also giving to China makers the advantage of volumes and turnover to develop more advanced products, compound bows included.
Think to what already happened to mobile phones and electric cars. Forecast is easy to do, and there is no way out of it. Protectionism in terms of very high import duties is not a weapon that can save the future of any local industry on long term. Local industries will enjoy a temporary advantage in prices and get more profit and sales for a while, but fast the volumes will drop, price will need to be increased more and export will go to zero. Not talking about Archery products, only.
P.S. --> Korean archery products are going to be hit in the Asian market a lot by new products from China makers. Win & Win perfectly knows, they are now already a bicycle company, not an Archery company, for instance. And compound admission to the Olympic Games has drawn the attention of China makers on the target compound market already. Easy to imagine what's going to happen, considering that 90% of Archery Federations in the world have no money to buy target compound bows at 2K US$ level and now need compound bows too.

 

the USA tariff on aluminum is 200% if unknown origin. I just had to return a limbs order because of a $1137 tariff charge on the limbs. it will be worse on the MK aluminum risers.

 

Please educate me on how US customs is categorizing limbs. They aren't made of aluminum like risers, so what materials do they consider it under?

Edit: just read your other post. Sorry to hear that your business cannot work in the current environment. It's ridiculous that duties are assessed on the full value of the limbs for a small piece of aluminum on the limb

 

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Seems that carbon is also subject to tariffs: US Tariff Hikes – Impact on Carbon Fiber and Composites

 

Does anyone know of any cheap carbon arrows that aren't getting priced into triple digit dollar territory? Obviously the Skylon brand is going to be less budget-friendly than in past years. I'm really hoping to avoid Amazon and some of those offshore arrows, since I'm not willing to recommend an untested product to any new shooter.

 

My kids have both used (and still use) Victory VAP Jrs. They come fletched and nocked, with a bag of points. Spines 600/800/1000. $6.25 per, so $76 a dzn on LA. I'm not saying they are the greatest, with the best spine selection, but they shoot and if you break one in the dirt or target stand, or lose it in the grass you don't feel terrible.