It's all about bow tune. Correct build and 1 3/4" would probably work.

It's some time back but some one used Bohning Mini Blazers with his fixed blade broadheads and he said they worked great........

 

Don't let the FOC thing play too many head games with you. I promise you I have got the T-shirt been there done that. And it is not the magic elixir it's made out to be. Some of my most accurate arrows and some of my deepest penetrating arrows are not very high FOC. It has a place, play with it its something to do and have some fun, its beneficial in some circumstances.....but no reason to waste a good set of vanes. Blazers are relatively light at about 6 grains anyway. And still one of the best hunting vanes going.

 

I appreciate the input! I've been on a up and down with this whole FOC thing trying for the past month and I've at least settled on bumping my inserts from the stock 50 grain half outs to the 50 grain Easton HITs and GT collars and being satisfied with where that lands me. As for the vanes, I am curious more than anything if the 1.75 x vanes can do the job with broadheads or not.

 

One of those questions you can only answer for yourself through your own testing; It will work for some and not for others, only way to know if you're a some or other is to fletch a few and compare.

 

I wouldn't compromise stability of a fixed head for a few grains of weight. You will save 7 grains total. That's not going to help at all. It's 1 FPS or 2 if you are lucky and 7 grains off the rear is neglegable for the FOC. That's if you even buy into the whole FOC thing. If you are 10 - 15% you are good.

 

OMG! I've agreed with all so far

 

Don't worry, he's fletching with a VMP 🤣🤣🤣

Just playin 😆

 

Not sure about the 1 3/4 vane but have been testing the X3 “ vane and been pleased at how well they work, yes they are doing a good job on my Magnus fixed blade BHs.
Shooting like field points, same poi.
Good luck

 

Not sure about the 1 3/4 vane but have been testing the X3 “ vane and been pleased at how well they work, yes they are doing a good job on my Magnus fixed blade BHs.
Shooting like field points, same poi.
Good luck

Magnus broadheads have an extremely good aerodynamic design. For bigger, more gnarly broadheads, I like helical Blazers.

 

I switched to x-vane last year, but was too chicken to try the small ones. Something about broadhead blades being larger than my vanes - just didn’t seem right.
I went with the 3” and no complaints.

 

I agree, if both your overall vane height and total surface area are less than your BH that seems like asking for trouble. I suppose in theory that’s where high FOC comes to your aid since the lift from the vanes has more steering leverage.

Although I assume the muzzys he mentioned are probably the vented ones with replaceable blades which helps.

And welcome to AT, you mentioned everyone’s favorite acronym, hope you survive the thread.

 

If your worried about FOC and steering. Use feathers. Still get steering and gain up front. Most feathers weigh 1.2 gr when I think the average vane weights between 3.6 and 4.2. We are moving into feathers only at my house. FOC is not why we are. It’s just so in my opinion a parabolic feather is quieter and allot more forgiving when they get hit rather than ruin a vane

 

After a significant amount of vane testing, I really like Bohning products and have shot Blazers the most. But early in the winter of '22 I saw a really good deal on a 36 pack of 3" X vanes and bought them on a whim. They are bigger and a little more grain weight than Blazers, plus a bit lower in height. Yet I found they steer a fixed BH just as well....FOR ME.....plus I like the looks of them.

I'm shooting Easton Hexx shafts with 50gr brass inserts to get more FOC than I had with Axis, so the small amount of extra tail weight is not bothering anything....it just adds a little more TAW. As noted above, don't chase your tail trying to get X FOC or a couple extra FPS.....consistent accuracy with BH's is king in the hunting woods. I tried that same route with Bohning Heat vanes....first three fletched and then four Fletched as Bohning recommends with BH's.....neither configuration was as consistently accurate as a Blazer setup.

 

On a cold December morning, sitting in a tree, wearing heavy clothing, and aiming at an awkward downward angle at a deer, with your heart pounding, are you going to make the same perfect shot execution that you did last summer when you were nice and relaxed, doing your tuning on a beautiful sunny day on a flat range wearing a T shirt and shorts?

A bigger vane with bigger steering has no downsides, and can make bad shots a lot less bad. I’d suggest you leave the small target vanes for the long distance target shooters,

 

Exactly right. No one has ever accused me of being under fletched. I choose my fletching to support my worst possible shot under the worst possible conditions, hunting and target. If those were all I had, I might try four of them with a good flying mechanical head.....but never without testing well ahead of the season.

 

I appreciate all the input everyone. I just wanted to clarify that my main intention was to gather information from those who have experience using the 1.75 x-vanes with fixed broadheads specifically. If I don't find the x-vanes or any other fletchings I test to be consistently accurate, I have no problem going back to using blazers for this year. With archery season starting in August where I'm located, I want to make sure I have thoroughly tested and vetted my arrow build beforehand to avoid any issues in the field.

 

Just to provide an update for someone in the future who might look into this thread...

Arrow:
RIP TKO's w/50 grain half-out, 21 grain lighted nock


Vanes tested(all fletched with EZ fletch MINI) :

Blazers 3 fletch 434gn TAW
1.75" x-vanes 3 fletch 426gn TAW
1.75" x-vanes 4 fletch 431gn TAW
1.75" x-vanes 6 fletch 437gn TAW
AAE pro max 3 fletch 427gn TAW
AAE pro max 4 fletch 432gn TAW
AAE pro max 6 fletch 442gn TAW
AAE Max Hunters 3 fletch 435gn TAW


Broadheads tested:
Muzzy 3 blade 100 gn
Sevr 1.5 100gn (test screw installed)

Tested at 30ish yards with v3x 33 60#dw 27.5"dl with the garmin xero pro sight. Had 3 arrows fletched for each vane configuration. For each configuration I shot field points first, swapped tips to broadheads, before moving on to next set of vanes. I had a set of 3 bullseye targets set up and averaged the distance between the 3 from field point shot to broad head shot.

Results:
Blazers 3 fletch
Muzzy - 2.5" to 3.5" low and left from field points
Sevr - grouped with field points

1.75" x-vanes 3 fletch
Muzzy - 3" to 4.5" low and left from field points
Sevr - grouped with field points

1.75" x-vanes 4 fletch
Muzzy - 2.25" to 4" low and left from field points
Sevr - grouped with field points

1.75" x-vanes 6 fletch
Muzzy - 2.5" to 4" low and left
Sevr - grouped with field points

AAE pro max 3 fletch
Muzzy - 3.5" to 4.5" inch low and left
Sevr - grouped with field points

AAE pro max 4 fletch
Muzzy - 3.5" to 4.5" inch low and left (had to reshoot 2nd arrow, went far right of target.)
Sevr - didnt shoot

AAE pro max 6 fletch
Muzzy - 3" to 4.5" low and left
Sevr - didnt shoot

AAE Max Hunters 3 fletch
Muzzy - 1" to 3.5" low and left of field points
Sevr - didnt shoot


I decided to stop using the Sevr's about halfway through because I was starting to feel fatigued, and I noticed that they performed similarly to the field points anyway. Although my initial intention was to test the Muzzy's with different vane configurations, I was really impressed by the accuracy of the Sevr's, and I'm inclined to use them this year. Since I'll be using the Sevr's, I plan to go with a 3-fletch setup using the 1.75 x-vanes. However, if I were to stick with the Muzzy's, I would opt for the blazers because I felt much more confident shooting those. I also liked how the Max Hunters performed but I'd rather just use the blazers just for the ease of skipping the use of a primer pen.

 

From your results all showing low and left no matter which vane setup you were using, you need to do some more bow tuning.

 

I shot and have ran the 1.75 with several broadheads. Mechanical and fixed

Magnus Hornet 2 & 4 blade
Muzzy phantom
Muzzy trocar
IW 100,125,150,175
Steelforce phathead
Strickland Helix 100,125,150