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955 views 22 replies 15 participants last post by  DNez2001  
#1 ·
Currently using a Beiter but intrigued by the springless Wifler and thinking about trying one out ... probably the MP-1 since I'm hearing issues with the MP-2 version, but like tool less feature of the MP-2 ... ???

Comments, please.
 
#2 ·
I looked up both on the Wifler website. I can't give you an opinion, since I never used one or the other. However, what I find interesting is the claim of " dynamic nonlinear response". Do they mean that each click does not increase/decrease stiffness equally? That would drive me nuts. What do they mean by "dynamic"? I would think that means the plunger response changes in some way during the shot, but I could be very wrong. It is your money, but I don't believe the hype will buy you any points regardless of the model. YMMV
 
#3 ·
Good question about plunger response. Not being linear might not be a good thing if the click settings aren't uniform in some manner. I'm also interested in the effective plunger range as I have bows/limbs as light as 32lbs, then on up to 42lbs @ my DL. The build/design difference 'tween the Wifler MP-2 and Beiter that I like for the MP-2 is no mechanical cushioning (springs) and its tool less.

As to the money part, that's not the issue.

Anyhoo, I've tried twice to reach out to Wifler by phone and email, with no response so far.
 
#4 ·
As I recall from physics classes, magnetic fields are not linear, but rather they are quadratic just like gravitional attraction between bodies is quadratic. We humans can visualize linear progression than quadratic (or exponential). It took me a little while to figure out how the adjustments on my Wifler felt like as I went from on extreme to the other.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I got my Wifler MP-ONE Pro from the Classifieds here in AT. I shoot recurve with just 32# OTF. I like it. it's on my bow as the primary, with the Beiter sitting in the bag as a backup. I don't fiddle with the plunger pressure much after I tuned my bow. For some reason it was easier for my to tune my bow with the Wifler than with the Beiter, but it could also have just been luck, or I learned enough unconsciously when I was tuning previously with the Beiter.

My understanding is that barebow shooters do a lot of fiddling with the plunger pressure for various distances, so I understand why some people want a more easily visualized mental model of "cranking the plunger X turns will do Y rings to the left or right for me."
 
#15 ·
I shoot barebow and tried 2 different Wifler MP-2s. In both of them, the core of the plunger (the tip) started rattling after 6-8 weeks, and nothing I adjusted could stop it.

Aside from that, I liked them. It took some getting used to the non-linear change in pressure. You also have to find just the right tightness on the set screws to get a good "click" instead of a "clunk." That has never been an issue on the Beiter.

In the end, I swapped the Wifler for a Zniper Zextant to get the micro-adjust feature. It's worked well so far, though it still doesn't have the reassuring solidity of the Beiter.
 
#21 ·
I have used one for a number of years, early model, and have had no problems. I have never had a Beiter. It's adjustability if fine and ease of adjustment is something I like. I am not a competitive shooter but I can't imagine a Beiter would make me better. After several years there is very little visible wear on the plunger and no wear on the arrows from the plunger. I don't shoot three under so I have a Shibuya rest and for me the plungers barrel was so long that the whole unit is held in the bow by only a few threads to get center shot adjusted but so far no problems. It doesn't loosen and has been dependable.