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Bear Royale youth bow thoughts.?

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#1 ·
So I bought 2 Bear Royales for my 11yo boy and 13yo girl today. Did the deed at Scheels for what that's worth. There weren't any shops around that carried them and I wanted the kids to shoot them. The techs were ok for fitting up a kid, it was a good thing that I'm halfway educated on the matter though.

I'm wondering what experience others have had and would like to state my thoughts for those thinking about them.

Anyway, after having them settle into the bows a bit I feel a little conflicted and slightly disappointed.
They are decent quality for the price, but fall unnecessarily short in a few areas IMO.

First and maybe worst, the whisker biscuit is junk, the vanes curl up when entering the bristles and its barely large enough to fit standard vanes. Also they saved cost by producing one that bolts on to the rear face of the riser and it only has one adjustment which is via the attachment bolt. You cannot adjust the elevation or forward/backward. There is a groove on the rear face of the riser that the rest snugs into so when you loosen it you can move the windage but elevation and forward/backward remain fixed . It's nice this design saves a few ounces of weight but I would rather have more adjustment.

Second, the string seems to have large strands and is not very twisted at all. On one bow I had the tube peep replaced with a 1/4in normal peep (the tube peep was also 1/4"). The string has alot of rotation when drawn. The peep rotates about 90 degrees from rest to fully drawn so it's very crooked at rest. Still needs some shots through it to settle it in but that's how it is right now.
The string and cables feels pretty loose at rest. I can bend them easily with my fingers. Now the draw weights are pretty low but so is the Diamond Atomic that the 11yo is growing out of and the string on it feels pretty taught. Not sure what to make of that.

Third, the specs state a draw weight of 5-50lbs but I doubt the 5lbs. One bow is set to about 20lbs and the tech said he didn't want to back out the limb bolts any more because he was worried it would come out. Looking at it myself I think you could get another turn or to but not anymore so I'm guessing 15lbs minimum but I'm not going to test that so grain of salt and all that.

My 11yo son who has a year of shooting under his belt did shoot fairly consistent with it but watching the arrows the looked like the were coming off the string inconsistently. That could definitely be due to no tuning but I suspect more due to that whisker biscuit.

Fourth, the string stop is pretty plain Jane, low quality but it does the job, zero frills there though.

Fifth, the cable slide looks like it is close to popping off the guide when fully drawn. There is a rubber cap on the end to prevent this but it got pushed off on both bows while trying them out. I think we lost them, forgot them at Scheels anyhow. I don't think the slide will actually come off but it's awfully close. I should go back and retrieve the caps and maybe glue them on.

I know it sounds like I'm dogging on the Royales and I kinda am, but they do have some good points as well.

The trophy ridge sight is good and I like the quiver as well, both decent for the price.

I really like the weight of the bow and it way a large reason that I was looking at them.

Both kids love them.

The riser seems very good quality and the limbs seem pretty decent although they look like carbon or resin limbs

These are very adjustable bows and large enough for my kids to shoot for at least 4 or 5 year.

If these tune well and settle in well I will be satisfied with the purchase.
My last thought is that if there was a larger Diamond Atomic I would probably have bought one of those. The sight and rest on those were also junk but I was impressed with everything else.
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#4 ·
I Will replace the whisker biscuit immediately, not sure with what yet. There's a $10 hostage rest on Amazon that look better than the biscuit, might start with that.

What's your thoughts on the string? If you look at one of those pics you can see the twists in the bus cables but the string has a pretty long area of one color. Meaning hardly any twist
Should I twist it more?
Have you noticed the large rotation of the string when drawing?
 
#5 ·
That would be nice to know. Also I wonder what the string tension would be like with a higher draw weight. I could play with that I suppose.
The string on these seems almost loose when at rest. In the attached pic I am not exerting much side ways force and can easily tweak it. The draw weight is pretty low but like I said, so was the Atomic and there was plenty of tension on that.
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I put one of these on my Bear bow when my drop away failed. It's my back up bow now. Its more tunable and you wont have issues with the vanes passing through it. Accurate, no maintenance.
That looks like a great budget option, I might just go with it, at least for the 13yo. This will be her first bow.

Was thinking a cheap drop away for the 11yo, he shoots well enough that he might notice a difference.
 
#10 ·
I got one for my 10yo (now 11) son last Christmas. He does decent with it but I feel like I could upgrade some parts and make it better.
I noticed the issue with the cable slide also the other day when he was shooting. It does come pretty close to sliding off. He’s set at about 22lbs for now.
Not a lot of twist to his string either.
It’s a pretty cool little bow though and he likes it!!
 
#11 ·
I wouldn't even waste the money yet on a new rest, that groove holds the biscuit right where it should be, I wouldn't be concerned about the vanes.........the arrow is going through a biscuit, of course they are going to curl..........it's easy to bend the string / cable, because there is next to nothing for weight on it............string stop is a non issue.........that bow will shoot darts with a little bit of tuning with what you have..........
 
#14 ·
Thanks for the reassurance.
I don't think curling vanes is acceptable though. When I pull the arrow through there is definite resistance and I wouldn't want that much on my bow. I like to tinker with my bows and my kids bows so tunability is a large factor for me and that biscuit limits that imo.
I'm thinking the previous posted hostage has got to be a decent upgrade for $12. Sounds like a no brainer to me.
I was comparing the string tension to the Atomic at the same draw weight and there is definitely more tension at rest on the Atomic. Not a huge deal, but an observation worth noting. Same with the string stop. I guess I was kind of reviewing the bow and giving my thoughts for other potential buyers the think about mostly to help but also hoping to hear that others have found good results with them. Looking good so far!
 
#17 ·
My wife shoots one of these and has worked up in weight from 24lbs all the way to 41 lbs. The peep sight is a joke but after switching that out with a tie in with the tube, changing the whisker biscuit out with a $50 qad drop away and replacing the sight with a mbg she is very consistent and is a good bow to work on proper form and building strength. She will upgrade next year but will be hunting the Royale this deer and turkey season.
 
#18 ·
I'm looking at getting one of these for my son, my daughter is on the fence. Keep us posted with how you like them, but it seems like so far you're saying you'd buy them again, you just would plan on upgrading some stuff that you don't particularly like? Vanes curling from a whisker biscuit is the norm as far as I know so that one I anticipated already, but if you have any other issues I'd be interested in knowing what they are. Thanks for the post.
 
#19 ·
I do still recommend this bow. My 11yo son just did a 3d shoot with it and was hitting out to 35 yards at 22lbs, currently with all stock equipment.
I am still planning on doing a few things to it, will probably twist the string more and replace the rest.
But yes,for the price point I think it is definitely worth it.
However, I still say that if a diamond atomic will fit the child, it is the best option IMO. It only goes up to a 24in draw though.
 
#20 ·
Update:
My kids have been shooting the Royales a couple weeks now and are settling in so I had them shoot through paper to see how things look.
Both kids shot perfect bullets. No bad tears to fix at all. I was pretty sure I saw some arrow flight issues but that may be due to their form.
That's with all stock equipment. I did have them walk back tune when sighting them in so that may have tuned the center shot pretty well.
They are both shooting a little irregularly, with some fly aways but I attribute that to form as well as them just being kids and fairly new to the sport of course.
Got to say, I'm impressed
 
#21 ·
I know this is an older thread but there isnt much info about these on here. I just picked one up for my niece which arrived today. They definitely need some tuning out of the box. The cams were 3 or 4 twists out of time with each other and one cable had almost no twists in it. I just equalized the twists on the cables and then pulled a few twists out of the yoke to keep axle to axle within spec. The yoke cables were over-twisted for sure on one cable. The manual leaves a lot to be desired in relation to estimated draw length vs draw weight with the limbs out 12 turns. The book said 12 turns out at 22" draw length it would be between 16 and 20 lbs. it was nowhere near that amount. The string was so loose I could literally pull it off the cams by hand. I ended up adding 4 turns per limb to get it up to 19lbs. The biggest problem I had with setting it up was having to add a slight amount of cam lean to both cams to get the cables to stop making a clicking sound when coming to full draw. The angle of the cables vs the angle of the mods was causing the cable to be pulled over and then clicking when it slid into the groove on the module. I added a tiny bit of cam lean and that problem went away. I put some arrows through it today and was able to shoot 1 inch groups at 10 yards with the super short draw length and my 340 spine arrows which are way too stiff. I gonna pick up some 600 spine arrows tomorrow and plan on paper tuning it before I hand it over. All in all its not a bad little bow. Its super light which my niece will appreciate. She is really skinny and doesn't have a ton of upper body strength. Anyone else experience the clicking sound from the cables?
 
#23 ·
It's the same as any other yoke tuned bow but I'll give you my recommendations. The first thing i did was to set the twists in the cables about the same so they matched the twist ratio in the string. Then i did the same thing for the yokes. I adjusted cam lean so the cams were equal. I lay arrows on the back side of the cams and make sure the arrows intersect at the berger hole about 1.5 inches from the string. Then add or remove twists equally to the cables and yokes to get it in axle to axle. Once it was in spec, I cranked the weight up and put about 25 shots through it to settle the strings/cables. Then i checked timing and adjusted the cables until timing was exact. The flat spots on the back of the modules should touch the cables at the same time. Then i shot it again to settle the cables, and repeated the process until timing was good after 25 shots. I verified a2a again and adjusted cables equally and then shot it and verified timing. You may need to do this a bunch of times depending how far out of spec it is. Once i had timing and axle to axle where i wanted it, I set the rest so the arrow was parallel with the riser per the manual and at a 90 degree angle to the string and shot it through paper. I adjusted the yokes according to the left/right tear and adjusted the nock height for up and down. If the arrow is square to the string and timing is right, you shouldn't need to move the nock point much if at all. After it was all done i cranked the weight back up shot a bunch of arrows through it and checked timing one last time. Took me about 2 hours to get the initial setup perfect.
 
#25 ·
Glad to see this thread get some use!
My experience was similar to dleach1407's except the two weren't too far out of spec. Timing needed adjusting and arrow squared with string and riser, although if I remember right you can't fully adjust the OEM rest.
one bow I twisted up the string to try to get the peep twist out so my son could shoot without the peep aligning rubber tube.
I got it so the rotation was the same and aligned when at full draw but couldn't get rid of rotation. Very frustrating for a brand new bow, strings are too cheap.
The kids shoot pretty well with just basic adjustments, you will need a bow press to make the string twists of course.