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Givin up on the Magnus Bullheads....

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#1 ·
yea i really really tried them and really wanted to chop off some turkey heads but no matter what i did just couldnt get em to fly right and am tired of hearing my set up isnt tuned right when i can hit a paper plate at 50 yards with my Trophy Ridge deer heads.

so i went and ordered a set of Trophy Ridge Turkey Tomahawks, took one head for a test guinne pig and the thing shot dead nuts right off the bat. now im gonna go out and bust up some hips and go back to clubbin their heads to make em behave.....
 
#7 ·
I made this same epiphany today. I shoot left helical, and i turned around the blades last season and they just arent consistant. After a few bad situations, I have lost my confidence with them. I resighted for muzzys this evening. I am a lot more confident in them than the bullheads and I'm going back to whats worked for me. A ton of people like them, and I like the idea but I just can't get with them.
 
#9 ·
I tried everything! I bareshaft tuned...walk back tuned...tore up several pillows/pillow cases. I could get them to fly good out to 15 yards...then at 20 and beyond was crap! Even missed the biggest bird of my life last week because of them...

I sighted in the ole slick tricks and am dead on out to 50 yards!

I really wanted to lob some heads off, and I tried everything I could. just to eradic in flight for me.
 
#10 ·
are you guys using the 100 or 125 grainers? i put the 100gr's on and they were right there with field points an broadheads.
 
#12 ·
if you dont want them ill take them off your hands so you dont have to be frustrated with them any more :wink:
 
#13 ·
I was shooting the 125's with the victory 4 feather fletched arrows from magnus! I am going to hold onto mine and try them out with some different arrow/vane combo's. unless someone wanted to trade some 100's for the 125's...
 
#14 ·
How far are you guys shooting? I always set up the decoys for a ten yard shot and figure that's about right and the bullheads seem really forgiving and almost idiot-proof at that distance. I went into a sporting goods store last week and the guy told me with a strait face that he shoots Bullheads out to 50 yards- what!!!??? I thought everyone was shooting them at really close ranges?
 
#17 ·
I set my dekes out at 10 yards too...but there is always that one bird that hangs up around 30 to 40 yards.....with a regular BH its alot easier in my experience to do that than with magnus.

dont get me wrong either, I will not bash magnus and am not doing so here either. there a great company and they make great products. I just cant get them to tune well with my setup.
 
#15 ·
I planned on using the 125's this year too but in the little time I had to tune them, I just couldn't get them to the same POI as my field points. I normally shoot 100gr. Heads and my Slick Tricks are dead on with my field points but going from that set up to the 125gr. bullheads with the Magnus Victory shafts was just too big a change to do easily. The bullheads shot well out to 20yds. I just needed some serious tuning change to get them to hit with my field points. I could have sighted in with the bullheads but I wanted to be able to shoot my 125 gobbler getters AND the Bullheads and need the POI to be the same. I got close but just didn't want to mess up the already perfect tuning I had with my 100gr. heads too badly. I probably could have gotten the 100gr. Bullheads but wanted the larger size of the 125's.
 
#16 ·
i gave up on mine last year but this year i got them out again and tried again. everytime i would shoot my arrow at 20 yds my arrow would fly right and low. i talked with woody and mike from magnus. they told me to try one of their victory arrows that matched my poundage. so i tried their arrow and called them, order two more. that made all the difference in the world. i shoot mine now at 40 yds and they fly like darts. no problems. you need to make sure you are shooting a 4 fletched feather arrow (4inch) and make sure you are shooting the right spine arrow for your poundage. i bet thats where your problem is.
 
#18 ·
I saw three toms lost to this particular head.
Two took it right in the neck and the blades blew off.
The other one took it right in the head and the blades bent over.

I assume all these birds died but they didnt die where we could find them.

Terrible to tune too.

The guillotines worked each times they were used...so we are sticking with them.
 
#22 ·
I hate them i can't get them to shoot, I've tried both gt 5575 and 7595, i've walked back tuned, paper tuned, lowered my poundage, switched the blade direction, I can't get them even come close one time it will his about 2 feet high next time it will hit 1foot lower left. I give up
 
#25 ·
Wow something is wrong.I am good to 30 with[ 7595/2" vanetech deer set up] maybe one flyer every now and then,but that's hand tourque/bad release.Two to three inches not feet.
Did you try the victory arrow that they recommend?
I tried them on some old 2216/5" helicals they really shot well.I had some bare shaft 2315's laying around so I set them up the same way.Put it this way if I miss It's me not the broadhead period.
 
#23 ·
i am shooting the 125s out of my GT500 @70lbs aprrox 290 fps, i use a 30" long Harvest Time Archery arrow with 4 fusion vanes on a hard helical with a limbdriver and mine hit dead on with my field tips out to 30 yards then start to drop off, at 50 yards they are about 8" low and 4"to the left but im not gonna shoot past 30 with them, im ready to do some head loppin.
 
#26 ·
hey guys. to those of you who are giving up on them, if you would kindly do this for me. i would like to know what bow your shooting, what poundage and draw length, its all about the spine of the arrow. if your spine is not stiff enough they are not goin to fly consistent for you. also to the same guys who are giving up on them, message me and i will do something for you, but again i need to know what bow your shooting, what poundage, and your draw length.

to tiny52-sorry i dont believe you. if you hit one in the head like you said. they are dead. and the part which is funny to me with your post is you said with a guillotine each time they worked. doesnt make sense sorry. i will make this statement all day long. if you are bowhunting turkey, i say you are always better to use a head and neck shot broadhead whether its a bullhead or a guillotine.

take a look at these videos. and again to the guys who are saying they are giving up on the heads email me, mikesohm@magnusbroadheads.com or private message me with your bow weight, your draw length and poundage and type bow you are shooting.

GUYS THE REALITY HERE IT THIS. turkey hunting is a 20 and under game to be successful. if your wanting to launch shots at 35 yds and longer the bullhead or guillotine is probably not for you. BUT LOOK AT THESE VIDEOS FROM GUYS WHO HAVE TAKEN A LOTTTTTTT OF TURKEYS WITH BULLHEADS. YOU SEE THE COMMON DENOMINATOR????

shots mostly at under 20 yds. "if you say well i cant get them in that close" than use dave smith decoys. ITS REALLY THE ONLY DECOY TO USE ON TURKEYS. IT WORKS EVERY SINGLE TIME.

thanks and i hope to hear from ya guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
 
#27 ·
You are going about it all wrong...

You guys really need to call up Woody (R&D) from Magnus if you are having problems. I put a BullHead on my 5575. When it came out of my GT500 70# it looked like a bottle rocket. I missed my target by 8 feet high from 20 yrds. It crashed into the chicken coop and destroyed my carbon arrow and the BH. I called Woody up and he fixed the problem. I was way underspined! I ordered their Victory arrows (300spine) and I am dialed in hitting a 2.5inch dot at 30 yards. I have killed one at 15 yards. I had to completely re-tune my rest to shoot these arrows, but it was well worth the 1 hour of time. I have had 5 other encounters at 20 yards or closer but have been unable to get a draw on them. Hunting without a blind is very challenging. I am seeing tons of birds and I'm not done lopping heads for the year.
 
#28 ·
Sorry guys, but it is pretty simple to tune a bow to shoot Bullheads. I'll give it to you that some bows can be more difficult to tune than others, for many reasons, but they can ALL be tuned to shoot a Bullhead. I know that my old Mathews Outback was beyond easy to tune for Bullheads. I got them to hit with field tips and 125 gr. broadheads within about 6 shots using the Victory arrows. With my Elite Z28, it took more effort. Why I'm not sure, but after messing with the bow and set up for a couple days, I got them to tune in very close. To the point that at 20 yards I settled in at Bullheads an inch or so left of my field tips. I just moved my sight over a tad and I can now drill a water bottle at 40 or more yards nearly every shot. In a lot of situations, you can't tune the set up in 10 minutes one day. When I tune a bow I generally do it over a period of 3 or 4 days. I like to pick it up with fresh muscles. When my arms get tired, then it is me making the mistakes, not the bow. I also like to average it out over days because lets face it, we all have an "off day". Every once in a while I get a day where I'm yanking shots and it is me, not the bow. So you have to spend time tuning any set up and especially spend time when making a whole sale change to a large head chop broadhead, possibly heavier broadhead, and longer arrow system. You have to decide if you are willing to commit to a head chop set up or not. It isn't for everyone. It is easier for some and some set ups. BUT at the end of the day ... 99% of the bows can be tuned to shoot these heads effectively.

Mike said it best, bow hunting birds is a very short range game. If I want to shoot a bird at long ranges, I have a shot gun for that. Like he said, take a look at MOST of the Bullhead endorsed videos that many of us affiliated with Magnus have produced. The one common denominator is birds "in your face" close. 10 yards or less. I've gotten to the point now where I set decoys at about 6 to 8 yards. I want birds that close. It makes for an easy shot, great video, and heart pounding excitement.

You say ... "I can't get birds that close." To which I say ... "YES YOU CAN!" It takes 3 things to put birds in the decoys at 10 yards or less. #1 Scouting. Know where your turkeys are most likely located and where they will have the highest chance of coming from. That helps you with #2. #2 Decoy Placement. A tom turkey will generally hang up if he sees that another turkey is facing him. He likes to wait a turkey out and have that turkey come to him. So place your decoys looking AWAY from where you think a tom will have the highest probability of approaching per your scouting. If he could come from any direction, then face the decoy directly at your blind. When he sees the "other bird" facing away from him or not directly at him, his natural reaction is to make that bird see him, so he will want to approach that decoy to get in his face. #3 QUALITY DECOYS. I know there has been tons of debate as to what is "needed" to kill a turkey when it comes to decoys. Foamies and low end dekes will kill birds all day long with a shotgun when a bird hangs up at 30 yards. I've been there, done that. Once in a blue moon a tom will get fooled into bow range close over a foamie or low quality deke as well. BUT, if you want to CONSISTENTLY put birds in the decoys and hold them in the decoys then you must use an "ultra-realistic" decoy. Hands down this leaves you with 3 options ... A stuffer (pain to carry, easily damaged, not good in the rain), a Zink (limited in poses, look better than most, semi collapsible), or DSD. Hands down, DSD's are the most realistic, durable, and offer the best variety of poses that is available to us as hunters. DSD's work almost every single time when it comes to putting birds into the decoys. In the 4 years (since they were introduced) that I've been hunting over DSD turkey decoys, I've only ever had one tom skirt the decoys. In every other instance, whether it was my bow hunts, a youth hunt, a gun hunter, private ground, or public ground ... if a tom even sees the DSD decoys, he comes right to the DSD decoys.

I'd encourage anyone frustrated with set up of the Bullheads or bow hunting birds in general to get in touch with one of us affiliated with Magnus Broadheads. Woody Sanford at Magnus is the guru on Bullhead tuning. He's seen every possible scenario and will work with you through your issues. Others of us are willing to give all the advise in the world on how to put birds at 10 yards or closer. We are here to help.