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Govt can hang trail cameras on your private property??

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#1 ·

Seated at his kitchen table, finishing off the remains of a Saturday breakfast, Hunter Hollingsworth’s world was rocked by footsteps on his front porch and pounding at the door, punctuated by an aggressive order: “Open up or we’ll kick the door down.”

Surrounded on all sides of his house, and the driveway blocked, Hollingsworth was the target of approximately 10 federal and state wildlife officials packing pistols, shotguns and rifles. And what was Hollingsworth’s crime? Drugs, armed robbery, assault, money laundering? Not quite.

Months prior, in 2018, the Tennessee landowner removed a game camera secretly strapped to a tree on his private land by wildlife officials in order to monitor his activity without apparent sanction or probable cause. Repeat: Hollingsworth’s residence was searched by U.S. government and state officials, dressed to the nines in assault gear, seeking to regain possession of a trail camera—the precise camera they had surreptitiously placed on his private acreage after sneaking onto his property at night, loading the camera with active SD and SIM cards, and zip-tying the device roughly 10’ high up a tree—all without a warrant.
 
#2 ·
It seems wrong to me. I live in Missouri and have been told by the conservation department that they basically have free reign to trespass at will. I actually had one show up at my door 20 years ago and demanded to search my freezer. He explained that when I purchased a deer tag I was signing permission for them to search at any given time. I told him he was a law enforcement officer, that I had rights and that he could search if he got a warrant and , I shut the door. Never heard another word. I do know that we really do not own our property. We basically rent from the government. I would have smashed the trail camera and thrown it across the fence. WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT INTRUSION INTO OUR SPACE.
 
#6 ·
It seems wrong to me. I live in Missouri and have been told by the conservation department that they basically have free reign to trespass at will. I actually had one show up at my door 20 years ago and demanded to search my freezer. He explained that when I purchased a deer tag I was signing permission for them to search at any given time. I told him he was a law enforcement officer, that I had rights and that he could search if he got a warrant and , I shut the door. Never heard another word. I do know that we really do not own our property. We basically rent from the government. I would have smashed the trail camera and thrown it across the fence. WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT INTRUSION INTO OUR SPACE.
and you likely would have been facing federal charges
 
#3 ·
Should have sighted in his 12 Ga. with 00 Buck shot, 5 rounds should have been enough to get
sighted pretty close. Would have just left it there but put up another camera to catch them trespassing.
 
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#7 ·
The game and fish of every State is out of control. Alot of them have no clue as to real hunting situations.There are many who abuse the power given to them. Yes there are some of them who know whats going on and try to help but the laws that allow them to do this type of thing is ridiculous. My father used to hunt varmits on other ranchers property and over the years was harrassed alot by the Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I believe without a doubt they are resposible for many things that are wrong with hunting and fishing in many states. I have other stories, but you have to be very careful what you say and who you say it to!!!
 
#9 ·
Yep, I know a man in his 70s with 4 grand kids who's father does not hunt and was deployed in iraq flying helicopters. This man in his 70s took his grand kids out into the back yard to practice shooting a gun and teaching safe use of guns the target of choice was grandmas pumpkins that where set to be thrown away after thanksgiving. Although most of the pieces of pumpkins where picked up a few remained in the back corner of the yard. Flash forward a few weeks and it is now hunting season this gentleman in his 70s decides to sit in his grand kids tree house and hunt for the afternoon overlooking his woodlot.

Here comes the PGC cited him for hunting over bait and suspended his license because of the pieces of pumpkins that remained in the corner of his yard.The 4 gran kids and grandfather are unlikely to hunt now as these boys are at a critical time in their life choosing between the ipad and hunting. It's sad the PGC can not look at a situation for what it is and do the right thing.
 
#10 ·
As Paul Harvey was fond of saying......I would like to know "the rest of the story".....before jumping on a bandwagon. :unsure: What was the initial reason feds were hanging a camera on the fellow's property? Was there some suspicion of poaching or game violations? The feds do not typically show up in forces with SWAT gear for no reason. Was he an active anti-government presence on social media....a Ruby Ridge type personality?

On the flip side, if I found a strange trail cam on my property, I would assume a trespasser was active and take it down as well. If that is some federal violation, they have to spell it out and prove it in court....not just sneak in and start an investigation using a trail cam. Wiretapping and such requires a warrant from my understanding.....what does fish-game/DNR agencies require?
 
#13 ·
Yeah, these stories crack me up when no one bothers to read the details. In the article, waaaaaaaay down at the bottom, it references the 2nd example of infringement of rights.....only to admit that the Rainwaters case stemmed from their family having been busted baiting for doves the year before. Until that little admission, the entire article railed on against the LEOs for surveilling properties "with no probable cause".

I highly doubt wildlife and fisheries departments are encircling just one person's property in an given area without a reason. The fellow stated earlier in the article that those around him couldn't believe that those dirty agents would do that to him. THAT was a little hint that kept me reading the one-sided tale. And yes, I've had negative interactions with game wardens, too, but let's read a little before making a judgment, huh?
 
#11 ·
Im not sure why the feds would show up looking for a riot from the land owner with out ever asking him if he took the camera and why. Sounds like there maybe more to this story. The land owners still have rights and there are laws that protect us from yes even the government.
 
#14 ·
This story is crazy.... if the information is accurate. If the dude was suspected of violating game laws then the DNR would be within their rights to put a camera out...

We had a neighbor to my parents farm who was a transplant from NYC. He and his family were very much anti-hunting. My most productive tree stand was on a powerline between a corn field and a bean field about 75 yards from his property line and 200 yards from his house. A few years back, his dog got loose and ran over the property line into my hunting area. I could hear him yelling for the dog so I called out "he's over here". When the guy crossed came through the batch of trees that was the boundary between the properties was the first time I met him:

Him - *** are you doing up there?

Me - I'm bowhunting... you wanna get your dog out of here so I can get back to it?

Him - You can't hunt here, my house is right there.....[points in the direction of his house]

Me - 1) I'm bowhunting and well outside the buffer zone defined by the PGC 2) This is my family land and I'll do what I want here.... get your dog and leave!!!

Him - Or what??? Tough guy doesn't have a problem shooting defenseless animals but what would you do with a real man???

Me - How about this old Jarhead shimmies down this tree to see if "I still got it"....

Him - [grabs the dog and starts walking away] this ain't over.... you can't f'ng hunt this close to my house....

An hour later a PGC officer shows up.... "I got a report of someone hunting over bait back here.... " When I explained the encounter with the neighbor and showed him the property lines (not to mention I was hunting 50 yds from a bean field and 70 yds from a corn field, my ladder stand was up against an Oak tree with acorns all over the ground... Why would I need to put out "bait" when I was surround by 3 of their favorite things to eat!!!!

When I went out after the season ended to collect up my trail cams, my daughter found one that was about 10' up a tree pointing at my stand and the ground surrounding it. It wasn't mine but it was on my family property. The PGC came and got it and admitted they put it there because of that guys complaint. All it took was a "report" and they kinda did what they wanted. I contacted my Lawyer (and life long friend) and he pretty much said, "You can pay me to do this but.... you have a better chance of running for the State House of Representatives and changing the law than you do beating the PGC in court when it comes to monitoring game animals/laws."
 
#17 ·
This story is crazy.... if the information is accurate. If the dude was suspected of violating game laws then the DNR would be within their rights to put a camera out...

We had a neighbor to my parents farm who was a transplant from NYC. He and his family were very much anti-hunting. My most productive tree stand was on a powerline between a corn field and a bean field about 75 yards from his property line and 200 yards from his house. A few years back, his dog got loose and ran over the property line into my hunting area. I could hear him yelling for the dog so I called out "he's over here". When the guy crossed came through the batch of trees that was the boundary between the properties was the first time I met him:

Him - *** are you doing up there?

Me - I'm bowhunting... you wanna get your dog out of here so I can get back to it?

Him - You can't hunt here, my house is right there.....[points in the direction of his house]

Me - 1) I'm bowhunting and well outside the buffer zone defined by the PGC 2) This is my family land and I'll do what I want here.... get your dog and leave!!!

Him - Or what??? Tough guy doesn't have a problem shooting defenseless animals but what would you do with a real man???

Me - How about this old Jarhead shimmies down this tree to see if "I still got it"....

Him - [grabs the dog and starts walking away] this ain't over.... you can't f'ng hunt this close to my house....

An hour later a PGC officer shows up.... "I got a report of someone hunting over bait back here.... " When I explained the encounter with the neighbor and showed him the property lines (not to mention I was hunting 50 yds from a bean field and 70 yds from a corn field, my ladder stand was up against an Oak tree with acorns all over the ground... Why would I need to put out "bait" when I was surround by 3 of their favorite things to eat!!!!

When I went out after the season ended to collect up my trail cams, my daughter found one that was about 10' up a tree pointing at my stand and the ground surrounding it. It wasn't mine but it was on my family property. The PGC came and got it and admitted they put it there because of that guys complaint. All it took was a "report" and they kinda did what they wanted. I contacted my Lawyer (and life long friend) and he pretty much said, "You can pay me to do this but.... you have a better chance of running for the State House of Representatives and changing the law than you do beating the PGC in court when it comes to monitoring game animals/laws."
Sounds like a bunch of lazy wardens to me. I know they have a job, and I know that, at least here, they can come on your place at any time, but looks like to me they should try to catch offenders in person. In your case it would have been apparent to any reasonable person that you weren’t breaking any laws, just hurting New York’s feelings.
 
#16 ·
If I find a game camera on my property that isn't tagged with a name and phone number, I take it down and turn it in to the local LEO. If it has a name and phone number I give them a call and tell them they can go to the police station and get it back if they want it. The local LEO has told me to keep any cam or treestand that I find on my property that isn't tagged with their personal info.
 
#19 ·
Wow I'm amazed that the wardens are that good by you guys. Here we can't even get them to bust someone for riding a 4 wheeler on public land, excessive baiting and cutting illegal shooting lanes that you can literally see on google maps. Look at the pic and see if you can tell where his stand is.

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#24 ·
I find it ironic that so many who rightfully find this to be an incredible invasion of privacy and scary show of abuse of power were also tickled pink when congress decided to "work together and get things done" passing the great American outdoors act. This is what happens when you give govt a chance to solve problems that they made. Read the bill and just imagine how tax dollars will be spent when spending is MANDATORY!!!!!
 
#25 ·
meanwhile dangerous criminals have been let out of prison, rioting in the streets of Missouri, looting honest peoples businesses, and chanting defund the police while pelting them with anything they can get their hands on. yep they have their priorities straight alright.......
 
#26 ·
Absolutely ridiculous... How was the homeowner to know it wasn't a nosy neighbor, peeping tom, etc...

Or is this bored government workers and agencies that have outlived their practical usefulness but need to somehow justify their job / budget?

Too bad the American political system is extremely adverse to the elimination of redundant + unnecessary agencies - DON'T VOTE FOR JOE BLOW NEXT MONTH HE PUTS "HARD WORKING" AMERICANS OUT OF WORK!!11!!!!SGE&HTSF#U!!!REE!!!!! THERE WAS 1 MINOR POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUE AFTER JOE BLOW REGULATED A LOCAL $10M GOV AGENCY - HE IS AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY AND A DANGER FOR YOUR FAMILY!!!!!!!!!