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How California snared 2 elite hunters posting kills on social media

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#1 ·
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Joe Frater and Chris Stone were on their way to social media stardom in the elite world of trophy deer hunting.

The two law enforcement officers — Frater is a corrections officer at a local prison; Stone is an investigator for the Amador County district attorney — regularly showed off their trophies from just a few years of hunting with bows and arrows in the Sierra foothills of Northern California.

They posed with impressive, mature bucks that they somehow managed to pull from a place known mostly for its scrawny deer with tiny racks. The men appeared on hunting websites, podcasts and YouTube videos, and they had sponsorships with companies that sell hunting equipment.

Along the way, California wildlife officers were beginning to grow skeptical of the steady feed of social media posts featuring Frater and Stone. Most of their kills looked like the bruisers that celebrity hunters brag about on hunting shows — that is, extraordinary.

What unfolded next over five months in 2019 could be an episode of "CSI," as wardens undertook a complex operation with covert stakeouts, DNA evidence, aerial surveillance and vehicle tracking devices — tactics that the men's attorneys say went too far in upholding California's stringent and complex hunting rules.
From the beginning, investigators thought the two archery hunters may have been cheating. They suspected Frater and Stone had lured in the deer using bait, a practice that's considered unsporting. It's also illegal in California.

"The caliber/type of deer is very rare for a legal CA hunter to harvest, especially with only using archery equipment," Game Warden David Moskat wrote in a 2019 search warrant. "I have known many archery and rifle hunters who would be satisfied to harvest even one of this caliber of buck in a lifetime of legal hunting in California."

In California — and elsewhere around the country — breaking the hunting rules can be a criminal offense. Violators can face misdemeanor charges for breaking even the most technical rules in a thick rule book dedicated to hunting and wildlife protection.
In 2010, one of the biggest names in the hunting world, rock musician Ted Nugent, showed himself hunting over bait as he killed a small "spike" buck on an episode of his "Spirit of the Wild" hunting program on the Outdoor Channel.

Nugent — who often hunts in Texas, where using bait is legal — pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a hunting permit signed by a government official after a kill.

To figure out the methods used by Frater and Stone, a team of officers went on their own hunt, using the same tactics as any elite law enforcement agency would.
They used a surveillance plane to trail the men from overhead. They set out motion-activated cameras. They put tracking devices on their pickups. They took samples from the guts left behind from kills and swabbed the bed of Frater's pickup for deer blood and hair for DNA evidence. They combed through their text messages and tallied who they called and the minutes they were on the phone.

After weeks of stakeouts both day and night, they raided the two men's homes, going room to room, rifling through drawers, freezers and closets, seizing deer-head trophies, archery equipment, cellphones, frozen venison, computers, trail camera memory cards, and taxidermy and butcher receipts.
At Frater's home, they seized salt licks, mineral blocks and bags of feed, the sorts of bait used to lure in deer.

When the investigation was complete, the wardens said they found enough evidence the men were hunting deer using bait. Among several other violations: failure to report harvested deer as required by law, intentionally misrepresenting the location of their kills, and trespassing.

Because of a recently enacted state law designed to punish poachers specifically targeting trophy-class deer, Stone and Frater faced special sentencing enhancements that included up to a year in jail and up to $40,000 in fines.

In the end, the California attorney general's office allowed the men to sign plea bargains that included no jail time and fines nowhere near the maximum the law allows. (The state agency prosecuted the case in Amador County Superior Court, given that Stone worked for the local district attorney.)

Stone's and Frater's attorneys argue the attorney general's office knew the state's case was overblown, which is why the trophy enhancement was never filed. They argue that the two men didn't deliberately intend to violate the state's strict prohibition on hunting deer using bait.

As for the other allegations, John Holbus, Stone's Sacramento attorney, said they were for technical and "so meritless that the Attorney General's office declined to even file them."

Frater's Sacramento attorney, Candice Fields, said the amount of time and resources spent on the case were wasted on her client "who has been licensed since around age 13, (and) has a spotless record."

"My client and I are both disappointed that significant and precious law enforcement resources were expended on what the California Attorney General's Office obviously deemed was an overblown investigation based upon the limited code violations which were ultimately charged," she said in an email.

"If violent crime investigations receive less funding than did this investigation, the public really should be left wondering about the prioritization of how their tax dollars are spent."

Holbus said that when he met with Fields and the attorney general's prosecutor to go over the case, the seasoned criminal law attorneys were stunned at the number of DNA tests the wardens had ordered done.

"There were more DNA tests done than all three of us had seen in our careers put together," Holbus said.

But some say that given what the wardens uncovered during their investigation, the punishment wasn't severe enough — the latest example of what they say is a troubling trend.

"Judges, courts never take wildlife cases as seriously as drug offenses or violent crimes — they just don't," said former federal wildlife officer Michael Sutton, past president of the California Fish and Game Commission, the agency sets state hunting laws.

"There's a big need to educate both prosecutors and judges about the serious nature of these offenses."

The attorney general's office said in an emailed statement that prosecutors were "unable to discuss charging analysis."

Social media posts become evidence
Frater and Stone may have been the victims of their own desire — like millions of other people — to boast about their accomplishments and build their brand on social media. That's exactly where the case began in August 2019, according to a pair of Department of Fish and Wildlife search warrants unsealed at The Sacramento Bee's request in Amador County.

Moskat, the game warden, wrote in his affidavit that he was suspicious of Frater and Stone based on what he saw on their Instagram and Facebook accounts.
Stone had posted a picture from that year's hunting season of him holding the antlers of a buck he'd shot with his bow. The deer didn't have an orange piece of paper tied around its antlers, a state-issued "deer tag." The state issues those permits to deer hunters, allowing them to kill one deer per tag. California hunters are allowed up to two deer tags each season.

A 2013 YouTube hunting video featuring Stone also showed him posing with three giant bucks that didn't have tags on their antlers, Moskat wrote.

The law says hunters are required to "immediately" write on the form the date, time and exact location where the deer was killed, and tie it to the animal's antlers. The purpose of the rule is to help prevent hunters from bagging too many deer or shooting them in areas where they're not allowed to hunt.

Many hunters snap a photo with their kill just before they tag it, even though it's technically a crime under the state's strict rules.

Stone's attorney, Holbus, said that's what his client did when he posed for the cameras. He tagged the bucks moments later before they were moved from the site, Holbus said.

But for Moskat, it was a sign that Stone and his hunting partner were willing to bend or break the state's hunting rules. He used it as his first example in his affidavit to convince the judge that he had probable cause to conduct his search.

Moskat wrote that he started digging into the online system that hunters use to report their kills after a successful hunt.

Frater and Stone had an impressive track record. Between 2012 and 2019, the men had reported killing around two dozen deer, most of them trophy-class bucks with large antlers and multiple tines and points.

But Moskat wrote that Stone didn't report to the state at least three of the deer he killed and posed with in social media pictures and on the YouTube video. Moskat also pulled the deer tags the men had filed with the state. Moskat noted the men didn't write down exactly where they'd killed the buck on the tags, instead merely noting a general landmark like a road or a ridgetop, according to the affidavit.

Holbus, Stone's attorney, said this is another example of the highly technical violations the men were accused of committing, akin to how almost all drivers drive at least a little bit over the speed limit.

"If the rules were strictly enforced by the text of the law only, then every single hunter could be arrested on every single successful hunt," Holbus said.
Capt. Patrick Foy, a spokesman for the wardens at the Department of Fish and Wildlife, however, said when it comes to this case, those technical distinctions mattered. In the game wardens' minds, he said, it showed the two didn't want to formally alert law enforcement to exactly where they killed a buck while trespassing or if they shot it over a pile of apples.

Around the time Moskat was digging into Frater's and Stone's hunting records, Moskat found evidence of baiting by looking at Frater's small parcel from a neighbor's place. Moskat wrote that he spotted "several heavily used deer trails," "salt/mineral blocks" used to attract deer, birdfeeders, bales of feed and partially buried buckets placed near motion-activated trail cameras.

It's not clear in the search warrants whether Frater was hunting on his property, but regardless of if he was, intentionally feeding large wildlife in California is a crime. It became another piece of evidence Moskat used to convince the judge he had probable cause to conduct searches that eventually led to the wildlife officers getting permission to track the hunters' vehicles, read through their text messages, phone call logs, search their homes and seize their property.

What the wardens uncovered
In September 2019, the wardens received the court's approval to put tracking devices on Frater's and Stone's pickups, which they monitored for several weeks during the middle of the state's deer hunting season.

At one area that Frater frequented, Moskat wrote that he found a pile of around 100 apples next to a trail camera.

At another site Frater visited, one of Moskat's fellow wardens allegedly found a tree stand that hunters use to shoot deer from above. A pile of apples and a salt or mineral block was placed nearby, Moskat wrote.

The wardens set out motion-activated surveillance cameras at the site, which later showed Frater carrying a bow and wearing a climbing harness, a sign that he was hunting, according to the affidavits. Meanwhile, a plane overhead was tracking Frater's movements. The pilot spotted him one day practicing with his bow before driving to go hunt at a baited site, Moskat wrote.

Stone also was being surveilled. A camera on the road outside his home took photos of him coming and going. His vehicle, which has a customized license plate that translates to "Turkey Slayer" was spotted at a site where Moskat wrote he found bait pellets in front of one of Stone's trail cameras, and a spray-painted bottle filled with "sweet smelling liquid similar to molasses" hanging from a tree.

This, Moskat alleged, was another form of attractant to lure in deer. Later, the wardens also later found plum skins and pits that they say were evidence the fruit had been intentionally placed in one of Stone's hunting areas to lure in deer.

Moskat put out a camera at one site, which later showed Stone walking past it with a rifle slung over his shoulder.

Holbus, Stone's attorney, said that was the only violation for which Stone ended up being charged. He said Stone hadn't actually been hunting that day, but he had merely been going to check the memory cards on his game cameras.

"While checking on one of them, he walked through a field that was baited two months previously," Holbus told The Bee in an email. "Mr. Stone did not think the bait, from two months earlier, was still in the field."

Holbus said his client, who prefers to archery hunt, didn't have any intention to shoot a deer that day and even walked up on a nice buck he didn't shoot with his rifle.

But there was evidence that bucks had died on Stone's baited properties, according to the affidavits. Wardens said during their stakeouts they watched as Stone hunted with friends other than Frater. Over the course of their investigation, they found four gut piles from where the hunters cleaned their kills, Moskat wrote. The warden took samples from the guts to be used as DNA evidence in the case.

In his affidavit, Moskat wrote that he believed the untagged buck Stone had posed with on social media earlier that season was likely shot over bait.
He also wrote he believed that Frater's kills that year — two bucks and a black bear — had been targeted over bait as well.

It was enough for the judge to authorize searching the men's trucks, homes and properties in December 2019. The attorney general's office filed formal charges against the men in August in Amador County.

That same month, Stone, 41, pleaded no contest to one count of hunting over bait. He was fined $780 and placed on three years' probation along with a suspension of his hunting privileges during the probationary period.

Frater, the 38-year-old prison guard, pleaded no contest in January to two counts of hunting deer over bait. He was fined $5,000, placed on one year of informal probation and agreed to forfeit his hunting privileges for a year.

"He has accepted responsibility, paid a fine to one of CDFW's wildlife conservation funds, and surrendered one of his bows which he understands will be used to raise additional conservation funds," Fields, Frater's attorney, told The Bee. "He is happy to support a cause so close to his heart."

Frater remains employed at Mule Creek State Prison where he's worked for the past seven years. A California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman declined to comment on whether he'd been disciplined, citing personnel confidentiality rules.

It's also not clear whether Stone was disciplined as a result of the case by his bosses at the Amador County District Attorney's Office.

District Attorney Todd Reibe declined to comment, citing the same personnel rules.

Fields said that since baiting is what's known as a "strict liability" regulation, it means wardens don't have to prove that a hunter intended to violate the law.
"In other words, if there are apples on the ground from a nearby tree, a hunter who otherwise legally hunts a deer within 400 yards of those apples (that's four football fields) violates the regulation," she said in an email. "That's what happened here."

Capt. Foy, the game warden spokesman, said the evidence the wardens uncovered clearly showed the men repeatedly killing big bucks over bait and then boasting of their successes, "claiming they're legitimate and then posting them on multiple social media platforms."
That was no accident or simple misunderstanding, Foy said.
"Not when it happens," he said, "over and over again."

 
#2 ·
I’m against breaking the law.

I’m against blowing tax payer money in this example while California has thousands homeless living on the streets.

Isn’t it better to save a human life than an animals life ? PETA type states get overzealous @ the expenses used indiscriminately and society suffers.

All I see here is a baiting charge ? Possibly not reporting a kill ? That’s bad, but maybe it was reported but online system failed ? Note sure if every deer had a corresponding tag number or not ? If so, hunter did or attempted to do things right with the tags.

Excessive amount of money and resources spent to catch baiting. You’d think these deer were shot in a high fence like that guy on AT here Ohiobooner did.

I’m against breaking the laws but this was a murder investigation x 10 and not a catch a bait throwing hunter who might be poaching. Could have sent a couple LE Officers in on their sit and photographed the bait and arrested them and save tons of money.

Seems the LE involved were a bit zealous to me to persue in this manner ?


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#5 ·
I watched a special last night on Kansas serial killer 'BTK'......more intense effort was put into busting two poachers in CA than was expended in catching a fellow who had killed 10 people. While I in no way defend the actions or self-aggrandizement of the two "hunters", the warden Moskat seems like the type that gets his teeth into a case and simply will not let go. In some instances that is good.....but seems overblown for this situation. Since CWD has shown up in Michigan, baiting was banned and yet many still do it and gas stations sell "deer carrots" or "deer corn". CA is clearly anti-hunting at the core and made a mountain over a fairly small issue. Cite the guys for illegal baiting, write them a ticket and move on.....don't get search warrants for their homes and do DNA tests on vension under such circumstances. Wow!
 
#6 ·
I took a break away from posting on Social media and forums and I’d like to explain as the following has been discussed/released with false misleading information. Many already know about this and many do not. I’ll state facts to keep things real, honest and TRUTHFUL. As most of you know I love the outdoors and sharing it with people especially the next generation including my own daughter. Over those years, I’ve had the pleasure of taking several friends family and kids out hunting and fishing resulting in many successful trips and adventures. Over that time some locals became jealous and elected to spread rumors. Jealousy truly is an ugly disease. Last year a local resident made up lies to wardens that I had trespassed on his property with zero evidence. This subject is not liked by many in the county and is known for lying to stir the pot for attention and has no credibility. That didn’t matter to the warden as he took his lies as an opportunity to investigate me and joe, which I knew of as it was happening. Also joe and I didn’t hunt together last year but fish and game lumped us together in their machination.

The allegations led to a multiple month investigation where there was suspicion I was also guiding without a license along with other suspected violations. As many of you know I share and enjoy taking people and kids hunting for the experience and not any gain other then friendships and memories. This resulted into a search warrant of my residence being executed three months later. You’d think they’d show some respect and professional courtesy to me on how they handled it but they did not. They took property, gear and several mounts (20+) that I’d harvested during my lifetime as far back as 20+ years ago that far exceeded the statue of limitations. Fast forward eight months, a lot spent on attorney fees and time to prove what I did and didn’t do. The state Attorney General took this case with numerous charges thrown at me backed by fabricated written lies with no evidence or facts and the state squashed the case as it should have been minus one minor violation of a technicality to deal with that wasn’t even part of the original false accusations against me. There are still a few good people in this state’s office thankfully, even here in California. A few of the many allegations they tried to charge me with was not legally taking several deer because they said I didn’t legally tag the animal, because in my photos I don’t show or have the tag visible on the racks, which to them was that I didn’t tag them right away. They tried this without even being there to view or know I tag all my animals right away then temporarily cover, hide, or remove the ugly tag for (natural) photos then secure it right back on the animal or immediately take pictures then tag it. Another one was not listing my exact kill location with an exact address or location as they said locations I listed which were within 1-2 miles of a known landmark or road (per regs requirements) was not close enough; however, their own regulations shows as a good example, 10 miles from lake berryessa is sufficient. These and many more were thrown out obviously. The Attorney General was actually very upset that they would spend so much time, money (yours), and resources to investigate me when it was started over a lie from a non credible source. The AG gave me the one minor violation to fight or except a plea to. Considering my family and the additional steep legal cost, I elected to take the one violation to learn from my minor unintentional mistake and move forward. Regarding the initial allegations there was never any evidence that I was ever on or near that guys property as it was all proved to be a %100 lie on his part. I challenged the search warrant/property confiscation and ultimately got my hunting gear back including my bows, arrows, binoculars, gear, daughters gear and mounts they took, even after a warden attempted to disobey/ignore the Attorney Generals official property release order by trying to keep several items he was not legally authorized to keep.

Regarding the violation, in August before season opened I placed a camera with attractants in front of it. Two months later in October, I returned to this location to check the camera and I was legally armed with a rifle. This location I won’t go to unarmed as I’ve encountered predators (coyotes, bears, lions) and illegals growing marijuana the year prior. I hiked in, checked the camera, and immediately left. I never had any intention of hunting as I was in and out. The AG stated since this was observed during the season and I was armed it could be looked at as if I was hunting a baited area even if it was two months later. This was the violation he offered me to fight or take and as mentioned before I elected to take it and learn from my mistake even though I never had intentions of hunting as I was armed for protection. Regarding losing my privileges for three years that is false information as per the law the maximum period for a minor violation is one year, which this is in the process of being corrected. This is the TRUTH! Many of you have hunted with me and know I’m a hard working experienced hunter who enjoys the outdoors for the right reasons. I’m not a poacher and I hunt and harvest game with persistence, knowledge and time in the field. I’ll continue to take kids and friends into the outdoors as passing it on doing it the right legal way is what I’ve always enjoyed doing and worked for. If anyone has a problem feel free to contact me directly and or unfollow me as (unlike what was stated) I don’t hunt/fish for followers and likes. Additionally, I had also recently learned directly from a warden’s mouth that this investigation was forced by his boss(es) over spite due to jealousy from social media posts and magazine articles I had written regarding California’s downward spiraling game management related to the protection of (over populated) predator issues and game regulations. Can’t make this stuff up. As I already stated the only gain I’ve ever wanted is the friendships created and shared in the field resulting in memories and good times. During this time I have gained a ton of support from my employers, friends and family who have stayed (in contact) with me knowing the truth and my character. I will keep doing what I do for the right reasons and live my life to the fullest with a smile, which I’m continuing to do in the outdoors.
 
#53 ·
I took a break away from posting on Social media and forums and I’d like to explain as the following has been discussed/released with false misleading information. Many already know about this and many do not. I’ll state facts to keep things real, honest and TRUTHFUL. As most of you know I love the outdoors and sharing it with people especially the next generation including my own daughter. Over those years, I’ve had the pleasure of taking several friends family and kids out hunting and fishing resulting in many successful trips and adventures. Over that time some locals became jealous and elected to spread rumors. Jealousy truly is an ugly disease. Last year a local resident made up lies to wardens that I had trespassed on his property with zero evidence. This subject is not liked by many in the county and is known for lying to stir the pot for attention and has no credibility. That didn’t matter to the warden as he took his lies as an opportunity to investigate me and joe, which I knew of as it was happening. Also joe and I didn’t hunt together last year but fish and game lumped us together in their machination.

The allegations led to a multiple month investigation where there was suspicion I was also guiding without a license along with other suspected violations. As many of you know I share and enjoy taking people and kids hunting for the experience and not any gain other then friendships and memories. This resulted into a search warrant of my residence being executed three months later. You’d think they’d show some respect and professional courtesy to me on how they handled it but they did not. They took property, gear and several mounts (20+) that I’d harvested during my lifetime as far back as 20+ years ago that far exceeded the statue of limitations. Fast forward eight months, a lot spent on attorney fees and time to prove what I did and didn’t do. The state Attorney General took this case with numerous charges thrown at me backed by fabricated written lies with no evidence or facts and the state squashed the case as it should have been minus one minor violation of a technicality to deal with that wasn’t even part of the original false accusations against me. There are still a few good people in this state’s office thankfully, even here in California. A few of the many allegations they tried to charge me with was not legally taking several deer because they said I didn’t legally tag the animal, because in my photos I don’t show or have the tag visible on the racks, which to them was that I didn’t tag them right away. They tried this without even being there to view or know I tag all my animals right away then temporarily cover, hide, or remove the ugly tag for (natural) photos then secure it right back on the animal or immediately take pictures then tag it. Another one was not listing my exact kill location with an exact address or location as they said locations I listed which were within 1-2 miles of a known landmark or road (per regs requirements) was not close enough; however, their own regulations shows as a good example, 10 miles from lake berryessa is sufficient. These and many more were thrown out obviously. The Attorney General was actually very upset that they would spend so much time, money (yours), and resources to investigate me when it was started over a lie from a non credible source. The AG gave me the one minor violation to fight or except a plea to. Considering my family and the additional steep legal cost, I elected to take the one violation to learn from my minor unintentional mistake and move forward. Regarding the initial allegations there was never any evidence that I was ever on or near that guys property as it was all proved to be a %100 lie on his part. I challenged the search warrant/property confiscation and ultimately got my hunting gear back including my bows, arrows, binoculars, gear, daughters gear and mounts they took, even after a warden attempted to disobey/ignore the Attorney Generals official property release order by trying to keep several items he was not legally authorized to keep.

Regarding the violation, in August before season opened I placed a camera with attractants in front of it. Two months later in October, I returned to this location to check the camera and I was legally armed with a rifle. This location I won’t go to unarmed as I’ve encountered predators (coyotes, bears, lions) and illegals growing marijuana the year prior. I hiked in, checked the camera, and immediately left. I never had any intention of hunting as I was in and out. The AG stated since this was observed during the season and I was armed it could be looked at as if I was hunting a baited area even if it was two months later. This was the violation he offered me to fight or take and as mentioned before I elected to take it and learn from my mistake even though I never had intentions of hunting as I was armed for protection. Regarding losing my privileges for three years that is false information as per the law the maximum period for a minor violation is one year, which this is in the process of being corrected. This is the TRUTH! Many of you have hunted with me and know I’m a hard working experienced hunter who enjoys the outdoors for the right reasons. I’m not a poacher and I hunt and harvest game with persistence, knowledge and time in the field. I’ll continue to take kids and friends into the outdoors as passing it on doing it the right legal way is what I’ve always enjoyed doing and worked for. If anyone has a problem feel free to contact me directly and or unfollow me as (unlike what was stated) I don’t hunt/fish for followers and likes. Additionally, I had also recently learned directly from a warden’s mouth that this investigation was forced by his boss(es) over spite due to jealousy from social media posts and magazine articles I had written regarding California’s downward spiraling game management related to the protection of (over populated) predator issues and game regulations. Can’t make this stuff up. As I already stated the only gain I’ve ever wanted is the friendships created and shared in the field resulting in memories and good times. During this time I have gained a ton of support from my employers, friends and family who have stayed (in contact) with me knowing the truth and my character. I will keep doing what I do for the right reasons and live my life to the fullest with a smile, which I’m continuing to do in the outdoors.
I was seriously getting annoyed reading that whole article, I kinda wish you had the time and means to go after them (I wouldn’t either but I think you have grounds to do so) this is the type of stuff that causes people to dislike law enforcement.

that warden suspected you guys of wrong doing, went way too far and used way too many resources and got himself into a position he had to come up with something to show for his huge waste of resources.... I don’t like that warden and have zero respect for him... he couldn’t swallow his pride and walk away so he wastes more resources to make something.... anything stick... BS. That warden should have to answer for that, but instead, he pushed some BS technicality on you guys. If I’m reading into it correctly, the baiting charge is bogus, there was some trace of trail cam baiting pre season that they got you with, not active baiting.... stuff like this bugs me.

I feel for you... as deep as they dug into you guys and what they came up with more proves what you guys weren’t doing.... a ton of work by law enforcement and all they get is a couple BS technicalities

seems crazy to me, but I’m not horribly surprised.
If you kill big stuff on the regular, people talk, people get jealous and make stuff up, game wardens don’t like it either. I have a friend who is probably the best BIG roosie killer there is, and there has been more than one occasion people make claims to the game wardens and he has had to go out of his way to prove his innocence (which he has) what he does and where he does it seems impossible, but he’s always done it, and he is a super good dude that knows he’s always being watched and keeps killing huge bulls with his bow... people dislike him for that, even though he is as nice as could be and has proved allegations of wrongdoing false, people still spread lies and law enforcement will keep believing them... he has a target on his back because he’s more dedicated and good at what he does... weird times we live in. Everyone wants to be the best, but hate on those who work harder and do better.... I think it’s a form of entitlement, and it bugs me.
 
#10 ·
Joe Frater or Chris Stone had to be banging the game wardens wife, daughter, or both, that is the only reasonable explanation for the Herculean effort and mountain of tax payer money that went into this investigation. I understand and support upholding the law but this case sounds more like we are making an example of you, and all based on social media post? This kind of effort is not expended on most murder cases and just goes to show that they don't call it the LEFT coast for nothing.
 
#15 ·
If you read the rebuttal from the accused, there were no baiting violations....who do you believe then....the media who has shown a long standing bias against all things “American” or the guy who just had an entire case against him virtually thrown out by the courts? I’m going with the normal guy in this case.
 
#17 ·
If you read the rebuttal from the accused, there were no baiting violations....who do you believe then....the media who has shown a long standing bias against all things “American” or the guy who just had an entire case against him virtually thrown out by the courts? I’m going with the normal guy in this case.
Uhmm.... it was NOT thrown out. If they were innocent, they would NOT have plead guilty.

Don’t know either guy, but somethings definitely not right.
 
#18 ·
Ok so here’s my big question. Check this out.

LE says the area hunted was noted for raggedy bucks, and these two were killing monsters. First sign of jealousy.

Next ? Anyone bait legally like we can do in Florida ? Baiting will NEVER EVER draw better bucks ! They aren’t stupid ! Baiting draws more of the raggedy young bucks and doe with skippers.

So where are the better bucks coming from ? We’re they high fenced and pawned off on social media as free range public hunt deer ? Has to be. Baiting is not bringing in monsters. A food plot will, but not baiting.


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#26 ·
Watching people justify breaking wildlife regulations by crying about the effort these excellent officers put into catching these crooks is hilarious. It's like the guy who rob a house and when they're caught they cry that the officers should be "catching the real bad guys".

The laws are all posted and public. Any real hunter I know follows them and respects the rules of the locality where they hunt. Crooks and liars like these folks deserve to be punished like any other common criminal. The fact that they were LE officers makes it even worse. If you feel bad about that, you're the problem.
 
#33 ·
Baiting on private land here in Kentucky is legal........but I don’t like it even though I have family members and friends that live by baiting deer ....reason being.......to me, it takes the hunting out of hunting in a big way, oh I’ve done it, years ago but for some reason it always bothered me, so for several years now I just pattern them then set up stands and try to get it done, even though it’s legal here, we just have too many crops around they love to feed on to have to bait with anything else.

Ky wardens would NOT have taken 5 months to catch people doing this, they would have tracked the trucks, walked into the hunting area, wrote tickets then moved on to the next violators, I’ve seen them do this on illegal baiting waterfowl hunters with drones..........they are quick and swift, 5 months is down right stupid and pizzing away time, money and resources, especially to settle with a plea and roughly $5700 in fines between the 2 men.
hell....if your gonna get someone....GET EM!!
 
#35 ·
Peoples Republic of Kalifornia
 
#37 ·
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Joe Frater and Chris Stone were on their way to social media stardom in the elite world of trophy deer hunting.

The two law enforcement officers — Frater is a corrections officer at a local prison; Stone is an investigator for the Amador County district attorney — regularly showed off their trophies from just a few years of hunting with bows and arrows in the Sierra foothills of Northern California.

They posed with impressive, mature bucks that they somehow managed to pull from a place known mostly for its scrawny deer with tiny racks. The men appeared on hunting websites, podcasts and YouTube videos, and they had sponsorships with companies that sell hunting equipment.

Along the way, California wildlife officers were beginning to grow skeptical of the steady feed of social media posts featuring Frater and Stone. Most of their kills looked like the bruisers that celebrity hunters brag about on hunting shows — that is, extraordinary.

What unfolded next over five months in 2019 could be an episode of "CSI," as wardens undertook a complex operation with covert stakeouts, DNA evidence, aerial surveillance and vehicle tracking devices — tactics that the men's attorneys say went too far in upholding California's stringent and complex hunting rules.
From the beginning, investigators thought the two archery hunters may have been cheating. They suspected Frater and Stone had lured in the deer using bait, a practice that's considered unsporting. It's also illegal in California.

"The caliber/type of deer is very rare for a legal CA hunter to harvest, especially with only using archery equipment," Game Warden David Moskat wrote in a 2019 search warrant. "I have known many archery and rifle hunters who would be satisfied to harvest even one of this caliber of buck in a lifetime of legal hunting in California."

In California — and elsewhere around the country — breaking the hunting rules can be a criminal offense. Violators can face misdemeanor charges for breaking even the most technical rules in a thick rule book dedicated to hunting and wildlife protection.
In 2010, one of the biggest names in the hunting world, rock musician Ted Nugent, showed himself hunting over bait as he killed a small "spike" buck on an episode of his "Spirit of the Wild" hunting program on the Outdoor Channel.

Nugent — who often hunts in Texas, where using bait is legal — pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a hunting permit signed by a government official after a kill.

To figure out the methods used by Frater and Stone, a team of officers went on their own hunt, using the same tactics as any elite law enforcement agency would.
They used a surveillance plane to trail the men from overhead. They set out motion-activated cameras. They put tracking devices on their pickups. They took samples from the guts left behind from kills and swabbed the bed of Frater's pickup for deer blood and hair for DNA evidence. They combed through their text messages and tallied who they called and the minutes they were on the phone.

After weeks of stakeouts both day and night, they raided the two men's homes, going room to room, rifling through drawers, freezers and closets, seizing deer-head trophies, archery equipment, cellphones, frozen venison, computers, trail camera memory cards, and taxidermy and butcher receipts.
At Frater's home, they seized salt licks, mineral blocks and bags of feed, the sorts of bait used to lure in deer.

When the investigation was complete, the wardens said they found enough evidence the men were hunting deer using bait. Among several other violations: failure to report harvested deer as required by law, intentionally misrepresenting the location of their kills, and trespassing.

Because of a recently enacted state law designed to punish poachers specifically targeting trophy-class deer, Stone and Frater faced special sentencing enhancements that included up to a year in jail and up to $40,000 in fines.

In the end, the California attorney general's office allowed the men to sign plea bargains that included no jail time and fines nowhere near the maximum the law allows. (The state agency prosecuted the case in Amador County Superior Court, given that Stone worked for the local district attorney.)

Stone's and Frater's attorneys argue the attorney general's office knew the state's case was overblown, which is why the trophy enhancement was never filed. They argue that the two men didn't deliberately intend to violate the state's strict prohibition on hunting deer using bait.

As for the other allegations, John Holbus, Stone's Sacramento attorney, said they were for technical and "so meritless that the Attorney General's office declined to even file them."

Frater's Sacramento attorney, Candice Fields, said the amount of time and resources spent on the case were wasted on her client "who has been licensed since around age 13, (and) has a spotless record."

"My client and I are both disappointed that significant and precious law enforcement resources were expended on what the California Attorney General's Office obviously deemed was an overblown investigation based upon the limited code violations which were ultimately charged," she said in an email.

"If violent crime investigations receive less funding than did this investigation, the public really should be left wondering about the prioritization of how their tax dollars are spent."

Holbus said that when he met with Fields and the attorney general's prosecutor to go over the case, the seasoned criminal law attorneys were stunned at the number of DNA tests the wardens had ordered done.

"There were more DNA tests done than all three of us had seen in our careers put together," Holbus said.

But some say that given what the wardens uncovered during their investigation, the punishment wasn't severe enough — the latest example of what they say is a troubling trend.

"Judges, courts never take wildlife cases as seriously as drug offenses or violent crimes — they just don't," said former federal wildlife officer Michael Sutton, past president of the California Fish and Game Commission, the agency sets state hunting laws.

"There's a big need to educate both prosecutors and judges about the serious nature of these offenses."

The attorney general's office said in an emailed statement that prosecutors were "unable to discuss charging analysis."

Social media posts become evidence
Frater and Stone may have been the victims of their own desire — like millions of other people — to boast about their accomplishments and build their brand on social media. That's exactly where the case began in August 2019, according to a pair of Department of Fish and Wildlife search warrants unsealed at The Sacramento Bee's request in Amador County.

Moskat, the game warden, wrote in his affidavit that he was suspicious of Frater and Stone based on what he saw on their Instagram and Facebook accounts.
Stone had posted a picture from that year's hunting season of him holding the antlers of a buck he'd shot with his bow. The deer didn't have an orange piece of paper tied around its antlers, a state-issued "deer tag." The state issues those permits to deer hunters, allowing them to kill one deer per tag. California hunters are allowed up to two deer tags each season.

A 2013 YouTube hunting video featuring Stone also showed him posing with three giant bucks that didn't have tags on their antlers, Moskat wrote.

The law says hunters are required to "immediately" write on the form the date, time and exact location where the deer was killed, and tie it to the animal's antlers. The purpose of the rule is to help prevent hunters from bagging too many deer or shooting them in areas where they're not allowed to hunt.

Many hunters snap a photo with their kill just before they tag it, even though it's technically a crime under the state's strict rules.

Stone's attorney, Holbus, said that's what his client did when he posed for the cameras. He tagged the bucks moments later before they were moved from the site, Holbus said.

But for Moskat, it was a sign that Stone and his hunting partner were willing to bend or break the state's hunting rules. He used it as his first example in his affidavit to convince the judge that he had probable cause to conduct his search.

Moskat wrote that he started digging into the online system that hunters use to report their kills after a successful hunt.

Frater and Stone had an impressive track record. Between 2012 and 2019, the men had reported killing around two dozen deer, most of them trophy-class bucks with large antlers and multiple tines and points.

But Moskat wrote that Stone didn't report to the state at least three of the deer he killed and posed with in social media pictures and on the YouTube video. Moskat also pulled the deer tags the men had filed with the state. Moskat noted the men didn't write down exactly where they'd killed the buck on the tags, instead merely noting a general landmark like a road or a ridgetop, according to the affidavit.

Holbus, Stone's attorney, said this is another example of the highly technical violations the men were accused of committing, akin to how almost all drivers drive at least a little bit over the speed limit.

"If the rules were strictly enforced by the text of the law only, then every single hunter could be arrested on every single successful hunt," Holbus said.
Capt. Patrick Foy, a spokesman for the wardens at the Department of Fish and Wildlife, however, said when it comes to this case, those technical distinctions mattered. In the game wardens' minds, he said, it showed the two didn't want to formally alert law enforcement to exactly where they killed a buck while trespassing or if they shot it over a pile of apples.

Around the time Moskat was digging into Frater's and Stone's hunting records, Moskat found evidence of baiting by looking at Frater's small parcel from a neighbor's place. Moskat wrote that he spotted "several heavily used deer trails," "salt/mineral blocks" used to attract deer, birdfeeders, bales of feed and partially buried buckets placed near motion-activated trail cameras.

It's not clear in the search warrants whether Frater was hunting on his property, but regardless of if he was, intentionally feeding large wildlife in California is a crime. It became another piece of evidence Moskat used to convince the judge he had probable cause to conduct searches that eventually led to the wildlife officers getting permission to track the hunters' vehicles, read through their text messages, phone call logs, search their homes and seize their property.

What the wardens uncovered
In September 2019, the wardens received the court's approval to put tracking devices on Frater's and Stone's pickups, which they monitored for several weeks during the middle of the state's deer hunting season.

At one area that Frater frequented, Moskat wrote that he found a pile of around 100 apples next to a trail camera.

At another site Frater visited, one of Moskat's fellow wardens allegedly found a tree stand that hunters use to shoot deer from above. A pile of apples and a salt or mineral block was placed nearby, Moskat wrote.

The wardens set out motion-activated surveillance cameras at the site, which later showed Frater carrying a bow and wearing a climbing harness, a sign that he was hunting, according to the affidavits. Meanwhile, a plane overhead was tracking Frater's movements. The pilot spotted him one day practicing with his bow before driving to go hunt at a baited site, Moskat wrote.

Stone also was being surveilled. A camera on the road outside his home took photos of him coming and going. His vehicle, which has a customized license plate that translates to "Turkey Slayer" was spotted at a site where Moskat wrote he found bait pellets in front of one of Stone's trail cameras, and a spray-painted bottle filled with "sweet smelling liquid similar to molasses" hanging from a tree.

This, Moskat alleged, was another form of attractant to lure in deer. Later, the wardens also later found plum skins and pits that they say were evidence the fruit had been intentionally placed in one of Stone's hunting areas to lure in deer.

Moskat put out a camera at one site, which later showed Stone walking past it with a rifle slung over his shoulder.

Holbus, Stone's attorney, said that was the only violation for which Stone ended up being charged. He said Stone hadn't actually been hunting that day, but he had merely been going to check the memory cards on his game cameras.

"While checking on one of them, he walked through a field that was baited two months previously," Holbus told The Bee in an email. "Mr. Stone did not think the bait, from two months earlier, was still in the field."

Holbus said his client, who prefers to archery hunt, didn't have any intention to shoot a deer that day and even walked up on a nice buck he didn't shoot with his rifle.

But there was evidence that bucks had died on Stone's baited properties, according to the affidavits. Wardens said during their stakeouts they watched as Stone hunted with friends other than Frater. Over the course of their investigation, they found four gut piles from where the hunters cleaned their kills, Moskat wrote. The warden took samples from the guts to be used as DNA evidence in the case.

In his affidavit, Moskat wrote that he believed the untagged buck Stone had posed with on social media earlier that season was likely shot over bait.
He also wrote he believed that Frater's kills that year — two bucks and a black bear — had been targeted over bait as well.

It was enough for the judge to authorize searching the men's trucks, homes and properties in December 2019. The attorney general's office filed formal charges against the men in August in Amador County.

That same month, Stone, 41, pleaded no contest to one count of hunting over bait. He was fined $780 and placed on three years' probation along with a suspension of his hunting privileges during the probationary period.

Frater, the 38-year-old prison guard, pleaded no contest in January to two counts of hunting deer over bait. He was fined $5,000, placed on one year of informal probation and agreed to forfeit his hunting privileges for a year.

"He has accepted responsibility, paid a fine to one of CDFW's wildlife conservation funds, and surrendered one of his bows which he understands will be used to raise additional conservation funds," Fields, Frater's attorney, told The Bee. "He is happy to support a cause so close to his heart."

Frater remains employed at Mule Creek State Prison where he's worked for the past seven years. A California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman declined to comment on whether he'd been disciplined, citing personnel confidentiality rules.

It's also not clear whether Stone was disciplined as a result of the case by his bosses at the Amador County District Attorney's Office.

District Attorney Todd Reibe declined to comment, citing the same personnel rules.

Fields said that since baiting is what's known as a "strict liability" regulation, it means wardens don't have to prove that a hunter intended to violate the law.
"In other words, if there are apples on the ground from a nearby tree, a hunter who otherwise legally hunts a deer within 400 yards of those apples (that's four football fields) violates the regulation," she said in an email. "That's what happened here."

Capt. Foy, the game warden spokesman, said the evidence the wardens uncovered clearly showed the men repeatedly killing big bucks over bait and then boasting of their successes, "claiming they're legitimate and then posting them on multiple social media platforms."
That was no accident or simple misunderstanding, Foy said.
"Not when it happens," he said, "over and over again."

Can you summarize this in 3 or 4 sentences I struggle to read?
 
#44 ·
Well now I’m assessing this here as such,,,,, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

Yes LE is wrong on their overzealous use of tax payer money. That money could have been used to battle life threatening and animal threatening California brush fires.


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#51 ·
I’m against law breaking. But I’m for defunding LE to do escapades like this over deer baiting.

Say what you want but that money could be used for many many more important items to protect lives.


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The focus of Fish & Game folks is to save lives? Here I thought it was to protect wildlife...what was I thinking? :unsure: