[GCook]

Well Doug, many other bowyers do. In fact every one of my five Primal Tech bows are cut 3/32nds to 1/8th past center. Big Jim will cut his past center. Bob Lee will as well. Many bowyers do. So I would think given the fact that others can with G10 or micarta then they could as well.

The fact of the matter is many old timers of the trad world think it's their job to police what is really trad and what isn't. I've seen discussions on this very subject on traditional forums and there's always a turd or two who want to demean or belittle someone for shooting bows cut past center because that's not what a traditional bow is.
Maybe that's not the case here but regardless, I like a bow cut past center. I can shoot stiffer and heavier arrows that way and they are much easier to tune with.
I have shot a couple though and they are nice bows.

 

[Remote]

I've seen discussions on this very subject on traditional forums and there's always a turd or two who want to demean or belittle someone for shooting bows cut past center because that's not what a traditional bow is.

The irony being for 60,000 years or so, bows didn't even have windows. An ASL is an extremely modern high tech and untraditional bow when you zoom out a couple of clicks. And that's before we even get started on space age string materials and glues!

We trad archers can tend to be a little myopic and precious.

 

[Beendare]

Agreed G Cook, it gets a bit ridiculous and its a rabbit hole argument.
I ask those DB’s that say that- why didn’t you knapp your own BHs from obsidian If you want to be “ authentic” trad

 

[dougmax]

Well Doug, many other bowyers do. In fact every one of my five Primal Tech bows are cut 3/32nds to 1/8th past center. Big Jim will cut his past center. Bob Lee will as well. Many bowyers do. So I would think given the fact that others can with G10 or micarta then they could as well.

The fact of the matter is many old timers of the trad world think it's their job to police what is really trad and what isn't. I've seen discussions on this very subject on traditional forums and there's always a turd or two who want to demean or belittle someone for shooting bows cut past center because that's not what a traditional bow is.
Maybe that's not the case here but regardless, I like a bow cut past center. I can shoot stiffer and heavier arrows that way and they are much easier to tune with.
I have shot a couple though and they are nice bows.

I seemed to have touched a nerve. Reread my post, I was merely informing you that BW will cut to center (which is way more than their longbows come) “if” they use G10. Period. I couldn’t care less what you shoot or what “traditional “ means to anyone but me.
I shoot a Hoyt Satori-have for 5 years -own 8 of them I use to introduce new shooter to archery. So I’m not an “old timer Trad guy” nor am I Trad police. I have 4 Black Widows-great bows - they certainly don’t need me to defend them. So since you aimed your post at me (starting with “Well Doug”) I’m going to say you are way off base. Sensitivity training might help.

 

[GCook]

I'm sorry Doug. I guess I was just wondering why you were defending their apparent lack of ability to adjust to customer's needs. I didn't intend to offend your sensitivities.
The fact that I thought I was very clear in my statement yet you found the need to challenge my point of view caused me to respond more directly and with more reasoning on why I believed they are incorrect in it causing a weak riser "IF" they use G10. But hey, until the carbon limbs they hadn't done anything new in decades. BW makes fine bows. Except for the PL and PSR I find none of them have nice lines. But they have continued to attract a wide customer base so regardless of what I think, I'm sure they'll survive my insensitive pointvof view.

 

[Stephen_Mayne]

😆

 

[dougmax]

I'm sorry Doug. I guess I was just wondering why you were defending their apparent lack of ability to adjust to customer's needs. I didn't intend to offend your sensitivities.
The fact that I thought I was very clear in my statement yet you found the need to challenge my point of view caused me to respond more directly and with more reasoning on why I believed they are incorrect in it causing a weak riser "IF" they use G10. But hey, until the carbon limbs they hadn't done anything new in decades. BW makes fine bows. Except for the PL and PSR I find none of them have nice lines. But they have continued to attract a wide customer base so regardless of what I think, I'm sure they'll survive my insensitive pointvof view.

Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 Seek help.

 

[GCook]

Lol. Sorry bud. Just messing with you.

 

[Tradchef]

A few I’d look at would be Robertson, Stalker makes a sweet longbow, Kegan at Omega makes a great longbow, Wade at Rustic Archer makes a slick longbow, Northern Mist, Poison Dart, St. Patrick Lake, Cari-Bow makes the Featherhorn and that is a fantastic bow. Lots of great ones to look at. I agree with everything stated above so have some fun trying new stuff out.

 

[Toxalot]

""The fact of the matter is many old timers of the trad world think it's their job to police what is really trad and what isn't. I've seen discussions on this very subject on traditional forums and there's always a turd or two who want to demean or belittle someone for shooting bows cut past center because that's not what a traditional bow is. ""

It's not the old guys with this attitude, it's the modern "Trad" generation that thinks "traditional" is something that it never was, not what it really is or was. Us old guys know what was here back in the day and are comfortable with a lot of those things....including risers cut inside of center. That was being done even in the 50's, for pete's sake. Other things we are comfortable with are elevated rests; sights; and even releases that were also available shortly after WWII. It's not the old guys at all...look around you and check IDs.

 

[Beendare]

In the last decade or so…I’ve seen a lot less Trad police types…lthats a good thing…who cares anyway…

 

[joester11]

The only thing BW has over the competitors is name recognition and resale value.

 

[superslamsam]

Sent you a PM.

 

[thegame1944]

I would almost bet that the Bear Ausable would be as fast and a lot cheaper.

Love my ausable

 

[Ahorn]

There's a lot of good bows out there, custom and production.
One of the best shooting takedown recurves I've shot is less than $200.
I have a custom takedown also.
I've owned many bows in the last 49 years..I've found that it's more about how the bow fits "you" overall. Jim Martin at Mahantango bows makes several different model longbows at a reasonable price.
Kota Bows,, Kohannah, several more custom bowyers.
But, there are a lot of good production bows out there also.
I've had some custom bows made for me that were very well made with great craftsmanship..but they just didn't pull smooth or the didn't shoot pleasant. There's a lot more to what makes a good shooting bow than looks.
Cost doesn't always reflect shootability...most of the time it doesn't.
If the bow fits "you", and you have good form just about any bow will get the job done.

 

[JPHooley]

Has anyone mentioned Javaman bows? He makes a few models and they’re fine longbows!

 

[HawkeyeII]

I'm surprised no one mentioned A&H longbow. One of the fastest and accurate.

 

[bowhuntercoop]

I'm surprised no one mentioned A&H longbow. One of the fastest and accurate.

Ya south owns them now, Stalker stickbows. I mentioned him along with toelke, all my acs longbows have been barn burners.