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You don't need to use Archers Advantage to use the features in the FullDraw rangefinders. All you enter is the arrow speed, arrow to peep distance, and weight of arrow... and it does all the calculations for you to better sight you in and get your arrow arc. You don't need to subscribe to Archers Advantage to use it. BTW, for $12 a year, it's worth subscribing to Archers Advantage imo.

Not all rangefinders will handle angles well, and even though they claim to provide angle compensation, it's limited to a smaller range. FullDraw seems to be more accurate at steeper angles
Thats good information to know. its kind of that direction I wanted to go, they are also on clearance at Cabelas at the moment.
 
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Thats good information to know. its kind of that direction I wanted to go, they are also on clearance at Cabelas at the moment.
Because FD5 is coming out any week now, FD4 can be found for under $400 online in some places already. The features of the FD5 aren't enough to justify the extra $100 of the sale price of the FD4 imo. If you look on eBay, a retailer is selling them for $389, and they are a legit place.
 
Because FD5 is coming out any week now, FD4 can be found for under $400 online in some places already. The features of the FD5 aren't enough to justify the extra $100 of the sale price of the FD4 imo. If you look on eBay, a retailer is selling them for $389, and they are a legit place.
Does the information you put into the range finder give you a more accurate range on angled shots or the TBR on the Leopold is just a better option than others you have tried?

only reason I ask is there is the Leopold RX-1400i with TBR. and if it gave an accurate range on angled shots it would also be a good option. but if your information entered into the range finder on the arrow weight, peep height, speed gives you a more accurate range on those types of shots I can see the benefits.

not sure if that's something you have any information on?
 
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Does the information you put into the range finder give you a more accurate range on angled shots or the TBR on the Leopold is just a better option than others you have tried?

only reason I ask is there is the Leopold RX-1400i with TBR. and if it gave an accurate range on angled shots it would also be a good option. but if your information entered into the range finder on the arrow weight, peep height, speed gives you a more accurate range on those types of shots I can see the benefits.

not sure if that's something you have any information on?

I'll just quote Leuopold...

"Archer's Advantage bow ballistics uses your arrow weight, arrow velocity, and peep height to calculate more accurate ranges for steep angle and long distance shots."

"Flightpath™ technology uses your bow's ballistics to display the highest point of your arrow's flight, so you can take tighter shots with more confidence."

so yes 🤷‍♂️. In theory that's better than simply using TBR?
 
I bought the Vortex Razor 4000 because I shoot long range rifle too. It is very accurate at short distances and measures to 1/10 of a yard. It has a bright red display. It is very bright and clear. I have had 5 rangefinders die on me, A Halo got hot and started smoking in my pocket at a 3D in the rain LOL. A Leupold 850 went bezerk and was reading crazy wrong numbers and Leupold told me tough luck. I have a Nikon 7i thats just OK, dosen't light up and really only works to 350 yards, not 700 as advertised. I really like the Vortex 4000 and their warranty.
A word about distance, set YOUR sight pins/tape to YOUR rangefinder.
 
I'll just quote Leuopold...

"Archer's Advantage bow ballistics uses your arrow weight, arrow velocity, and peep height to calculate more accurate ranges for steep angle and long distance shots."

"Flightpath™ technology uses your bow's ballistics to display the highest point of your arrow's flight, so you can take tighter shots with more confidence."

so yes 🤷‍♂️. In theory that's better than simply using TBR?
I think ill go for it then. I'm a little worried as I have seen a few bad reviews on it (not that the unit does not work as advertised but the reticle stopped working after the 2 year warranty was up).

That being said some websites had a lot of positive reviews on the unit. I'll take the chance, I ended up emailing TAC and somehow got a second day added in South Dakota and I'm on the Prime course so I feel this will be a valuable tool for that day and most likely the Friday as well on the BRCC course.

thanks for the review
 
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Interesting. Would b cool if some did a tac or 3d course w/ the vortex vs Leupold full draw or sig and compared to what was read and what it shot like. Sounds like not all angle compensation is the same
I watched some videos on YouTube of past TACs where guys like BowOnlyOutdoors and others were using a Vortex and each guy was getting a different number. That told me everything. I've seen other guys on YouTube complaining that they need to cross reference cut charts because the rangefinder will be off on compensation on TAC courses, also using Vortex.

Leuopold FD4/5 is basically made for TAC. It's just the best option IF you are using it for archery only.
 
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There's a great deal on eBay if anyone is looking for an FD4... $369

Probably making way for the FD5, but that's a smoking deal for that range finder (normally $500)
 
why not try a sig. i have a kilo 2000 .1 yardage and red display.
Same here.....I started with the Sig Kilo 1200 to try out after using a Leupold RX750 for several years.....and liked it. So for Christmas '21, I put a Sig Kilo 2000 with red LED display on my list. I test them both on my backyard range and both are quite accurate. Like a chronograph, slight variations can occur between model to model and under various conditions.....nothing in real life is 100% accurate.
 
I shoot a lot of 3D and use the FD4 as it has proven to me to be the best all around RF. I had a Vortex 1000, Vortex Razor 4K, GPO 1800 rangemaster, and now the FD4. The Razor was amazing except on black targets - it either would not read them, or would give highly variable ranges. The GPO was solid - only negative was the black display which could be hard to see at times. The FD4 just works...I love the AA function with flight path, the display is clear and crisp and it works on all targets.
 
There's a great deal on eBay if anyone is looking for an FD4... $369

Probably making way for the FD5, but that's a smoking deal for that range finder (normally $500)
Man that is a great deal. I wish I had the extra cash right now I would scoop one of those up. I'll have to watch that and maybe in a few weeks I can snag one.
 
I have a Sig Kilo 2000 and can’t get it to read as consistently as I would like. It’s been solid and close enough, but I don’t have full confidence when it reads +/- 1.5 yards at long distances, jumps around a lot. I’ve never been able to get 20 on the dot with it…

Looking at the FD4 now though


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Leica Rangemasters are one the best.
Several years ago when we were prairie dog hunting in South Dakota almost every range finder we tried in our group of eight hunters failed to pick up the small dirt prairie dog mounds at 300 or more yards in the "flat plains". Most of them would not pick up anything at that range and there was a lot of different brands of rangefinders in our group. I bought a Leica rangefinder the next year (after reading the reviews on them) and it works great for picking up those small mounds all the way out to 1000 yards . Made a believer out of me. I use mine for bowhunting as well. It has range angle compensation as well.
 
I watched some videos on YouTube of past TACs where guys like BowOnlyOutdoors and others were using a Vortex and each guy was getting a different number. That told me everything. I've seen other guys on YouTube complaining that they need to cross reference cut charts because the rangefinder will be off on compensation on TAC courses, also using Vortex.

Leuopold FD4/5 is basically made for TAC. It's just the best option IF you are using it for archery only.
Went and watched to check it out seems like they were about 45 degrees at 75 and off by 5 yards (ranged 78 and shot like 73) so maybe just take off a couple more yards depending on your cut. If I hunted in steep terrain I might switch but I think I'll just try and get comfortable with what I got for now.
 
I went on a rangefinder adventure, trying some of the most popular models for archery and hunting in general. I thought it might be worth sharing my experience as it could help others out. In the end, I would recommend trying for yourself, as everyone is different, but hopefully this is useful to folks.

Vortex Impact 1000 / Ranger 1800:

This is combined because I pretty much had the same experience with both except minor differences (mainly because I'm testing for archery with sub 100 yard targets).

Pros
  • The construction is solid and ready for all weather. Very durable feel and look.
  • The warranty is unheard of for electronics. Haven't used it but good reviews of people using it.
  • Easy to read display (Ranger 1800).
  • Ranging was reasonably fast. Maybe not as fast as some others, but I had no complaints.
Neutral
  • Angle compensation isn't displayed, so there's no information about the angle or the distance it's cutting, and you can't cross verify.
  • Only provides distances in whole numbers. Not a huge deal, but it would be nice to get as accurate a reading as possible. Yes, I would dial a distance 1/2 yard if the rangefinder supported it.
  • The case it comes with isn't enclosed to properly protect it.
Cons
  • I had a defect right out of the box with the Impact 1000. The cross hairs were off center to the right. That was just a bizarre defect that shouldn't make it out of Vortex quality control. It's the most budget friendly rangefinder I tried, but it was disappointing.
  • Measuring distances I would get different numbers. Not wildly off, but could range the same target from the same spot, and experience a yard of difference regularly. The whole yard limitation could be part of the issue.

Vortex Update:
I've watched several TAC videos of guys using the Vortex rangefinders (including the Ranger model) as they are very popular. A few times I would see guys not agreeing on yardages with others (by a few yards (as high as 5)), getting wrong yardages and missing the target then ranging again and getting a distance that made more sense. I know rangefinders can be finicky but just an observation.

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Leupold FullDraw 3:

Pros
  • It's very accurate. 0.5 yard accuracy. Just as accurate as the FD4 under normal shot conditions.
  • Very fast to range targets.
  • Great construction. Light and easy to hold.
  • Angle displayed to confirm compensation.
Neutral
  • Just like Vortex, another open air case that will not hold up in weather.
  • Once you use a red oled display, you'll find it hard to use a black display again. Not easy to see in many scenarios. Not just low light, but against dark green leaves, targets in shaded places, etc.
  • I didn't like that the numbers were displayed at the top of the lens, which seemed like a bad design and harder to read (for me anyway). Most rangefinders have those below the reticle for a reason.
Cons
  • My personal experience, I was getting a rainbow on the top of the lens for some reason. I tried with and without glasses and sunglasses, and in different lighting, and it was still a minor issue. And this didn't happen with the FD4. It was particularly bothersome because the distance display is at the top otherwise I may not have even noticed. Some people may not notice either way.
  • 2 year warranty.

Leupold FullDraw 4:

Pros
  • Very accurate. 0.5 yard accuracy to 125 yards displayed in 0.1 yard increments. Light or dark areas of target, getting 0.1 differences if any. It really is like having a rangefinder that can range sub 12" differences.
  • Very fast to range targets.
  • Very easy to read red oled display.
  • Great construction.
  • Ballistics software.
    • Can handle any angle you could encounter with the Archers Advantage software built in.
    • Provides peak height of arrow in flight to account for obstacles (valuable in heavily wooded areas).
    • Angle displayed to confirm compensation.
    • Different modes for distance... calculated angle or Archers Advantage (FPS) powered ranging, which I think provides the most accurate compensated distance possible.
    • Archers Advantage entry is in 1 FPS increments, which is great for those using calculated or chronograph speeds.
Neutral
  • Just like Vortex, another open air case that will not hold up in weather. And for the price of this rangefinder, I think it really should be a legit case you can slide onto your binoculars harness and use in all weather.
  • I wish they offered more data accuracy for the Archers Advantage software entry. e.g. peep to arrow height is in 1/4" increments, where I would prefer 1/8", but this is for the extreme person I suppose.
Cons
  • Price. You can buy two Impact 1000s for the price of this one... and still save money.
  • 2 year warranty. Your next rangefinder might be another Leupold at a major discount from the warranty department since many electronics don't break down in under 2 years. But if you can use the warranty, they are as good as anyone else.

Conclusion:
If I was primarily a rifle hunter, I'd get the Vortex Ranger 1800 and just beat it to death. It's a solid product with a great warranty. It's good enough for archery in most situations to not want more (e.g. TAC is a little extreme, and most people aren't shooting in these situations). For the hunter taking shots from under 40 yards, even if it's off by a yard it's probably close enough and won't change the outcome.

If I was only using it for archery, and was hunting out west or shooting TAC, I'd go with the FD4. It's just ridiculously good, and it's not even close. I really can't say anything bad about it other than sticker shock. Even the warranty doesn't concern me too much because most likely by the time it fails I might be in the market for something else (or I'm telling myself).

Anyway, hopefully my adventure was helpful to folks in the market for a rangefinder. For those keeping score, I kept the FD4 after all of this because I will shoot TAC, I use Archers Advantage software, and want something that provides the best possible solution for what I'm doing. Test for yourself and see what works for you.
Thanks for review
 
Most of the time, at least Vortex anyway, replace the older broken one with a newer model. I’ve not had them repair and return anyway? Not saying they don’t ever repair them, just in my experience with their lifetime warranty they have not.
Vortex warranty and service are great. I never had an issue. Great breakdown. Many factors can give you different yardage from the same spot. You just hit a reflection or just a slightly different angle on the target. It doesn't take much.
 
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