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Requirements to reach out to 70m?

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#1 ·
Still pretty new to the world of Olympic recurve. I’d like to enter Outdoor provincials (Canada) this year time permitting and I’m curious if I’d be able to reasonably expect to be able to reach out to the 70m.
I’ve just been shooting in my basement, a whopping 8 yards. I’ve been taking the weight progression pretty slow as I don’t want to aggravate anything in my shoulders.
So as it sits I’m shooting
26lbs on the fingers @ 28.5” (ish) DL
Full length 730 carbonones @ about 314grains finished weight
I’ve heard being closer or in the lower 30lbs would be better but I don’t know if I’ll be there at that point.
Thanks!


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#2 ·
It’s not just the draw weight and arrow weight, but how low your anchor is. It’s possible to shoot under 30# and have your sight on the target at 70m, but you’re just going to have to try it. Bring the sight bar all the way in.

You didn’t ask, but .730 spine arrows are WAY stiff for 26#/28”. Something closer to 1.000 will probably be a better choice, as well as probably lighter.
 
#5 ·
Still pretty new to the world of Olympic recurve. I’d like to enter Outdoor provincials (Canada) this year time permitting and I’m curious if I’d be able to reasonably expect to be able to reach out to the 70m.
I’ve just been shooting in my basement, a whopping 8 yards. I’ve been taking the weight progression pretty slow as I don’t want to aggravate anything in my shoulders.
So as it sits I’m shooting
26lbs on the fingers @ 28.5” (ish) DL
Full length 730 carbonones @ about 314grains finished weight
I’ve heard being closer or in the lower 30lbs would be better but I don’t know if I’ll be there at that point.
Thanks!


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You should TEST your arrows, by shooting a group of three fletched and two bareshafts
at 18 meters. IF the spine rating on your arrows are correct, then, the bareshafts will hit inside the fletched group.

With 26 lbs on the fingers,
with a 28.5-ISH inch DL
then you should be using 900 spine arrows, about 29-inches long...ISH.

Try 120 grain points...when shooting 70 meters.
Anchor under the chin, split finger with index finger under the chin.

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#7 ·
W -

Sorry, you can't. While a 28# bow draw to 28.5" should be able to reach 70M with the right arrows before running out of sight travel, you probably won't be. Just no way of telling if all you have is 8 yard experience.

The odds are, if you practice regularly, your draw weight will increase by mid spring or summer, so all bets are off in that regard. Your ability to control the bow and shot sequence are still what's in question.

If I were you, I would get some 18M/20 yards scores under your belt and take it from there.

Viper1 out.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for all the great input.
I’m hoping things open up around me soon so I can get some 18m scores in for sure (stupid Covid) and work from there and work on getting the lbs up.
May have found some lighter spine arrows on sale that I’m going to jump on.
I knew mine were stiff but also thought I’d progress up the limb weights a bit faster, you live and learn.


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#11 ·
Welcome! I once lived there too, in Quesnell Heights. I shoot 810 spine Easton Carbon Ones/Avance arrows with 26# limbs. As others have said already, you need to keep your sight bar in, and work your way up to that distance slowly, but it is doable. I am required to shoot 60m outdoors as a “Master” ( lol…that’s what they call archers over 50 in USAA). You will be shooting at an upward angle like the guy with the flaming arrow on the castle wall, and the judges may stand behind you at tournaments to check if you are sky drawing, but it can be done. Just don’t be in a rush to get there. Train with short increases in your distance over a long time.
 
#12 ·
Your best possibility without increasing draw weight is to shoot the lightest and thinnest arrows you can find and afford. Not only do the carbon ones you are shooting seem to be substantially too stiff, but the weight does not seem correct. A carbon one 730 shaft should weight about 180 grains. How did you get to 314 grains? The weight should be less.

If you need to buy new arrows of correct spine and are on a budget, you could consider Skylon Brixxon arrows from Alternative. Also Carbon Tech/McKinney advertises really light arrows designed for maximum distance with low poundage. I have not tried either the Skylon or Carbon Tech arrows but they might be worth some additional research and consideration.
 
#13 ·
Your best possibility without increasing draw weight is to shoot the lightest and thinnest arrows you can find and afford. Not only do the carbon ones you are shooting seem to be substantially too stiff, but the weight does not seem correct. A carbon one 730 shaft should weight about 180 grains. How did you get to 314 grains? The weight should be less.

If you need to buy new arrows of correct spine and are on a budget, you could consider Skylon Brixxon arrows from Alternative. Also Carbon Tech/McKinney advertises really light arrows designed for maximum distance with low poundage. I have not tried either the Skylon or Carbon Tech arrows but they might be worth some additional research and consideration.
I got 314 by having 130grn up front to try to break the spine down… evidently it was not enough. I’ve since ordered some 900 spine and we’ll see how they go when they show up.
We’ll see what kind of lbs I can take the 900’s up to as I progress up. And when the time comes I’ll be buying some 800(ish) spine arrows to accommodate

I do need to look into those other brands tho. Never hurts to have options


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#14 ·
W -

Concentrate on your shooting form. Even over spined arrows will behave identically if your shooting is consistent.
Caveat - we really have no idea about what you're currently doing, so anything we say will be either generic or based on personal biases.

Viper1 out.
 
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#15 ·
Form is exactly why I’m shooting at 26lbs right now. I have been able to get my over spined 730’s to shoot consistent enough that I know my fliers are because of me 100%. I ordered the 900 because I figure properly matching equipment can’t hurt. I was originally just looking for a “generic window” I needed to be in to expect any success to reach out to 70m
Only so much can be accomplished with keyboard coaching, I understand that.
I appreciate everyone chiming in with their advice, it’s been quite helpful


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#18 ·
Going from 8 yards to 70 meters (76 yards) is a big jump. I see a lot of archers at our local outdoor range shooting at distances that are too long for them IMO.
Personally I don't like losing arrows, so if I am not confident I will hit the target (let alone the bale) then I will find a closer target.
Get proficient at 20y, then move back to 30, 40, 50 etc. As Viper mentioned your draw weight will likely increase as you continue shooting so by the time you feel confident to shoot reasonably accurately at 70 meters it won't be a big deal.

That being said it's fun to "lob one out there" just to see what happens. I know I did that my first time at a "real range" just to see what would happen :)
 
#19 ·
Still pretty new to the world of Olympic recurve. I’d like to enter Outdoor provincials (Canada) this year time permitting and I’m curious if I’d be able to reasonably expect to be able to reach out to the 70m.
I’ve just been shooting in my basement, a whopping 8 yards. I’ve been taking the weight progression pretty slow as I don’t want to aggravate anything in my shoulders.
So as it sits I’m shooting
26lbs on the fingers @ 28.5” (ish) DL
Full length 730 carbonones @ about 314grains finished weight
I’ve heard being closer or in the lower 30lbs would be better but I don’t know if I’ll be there at that point.
Thanks!


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Still pretty new to the world of Olympic recurve. I’d like to enter Outdoor provincials (Canada) this year time permitting and I’m curious if I’d be able to reasonably expect to be able to reach out to the 70m.
I’ve just been shooting in my basement, a whopping 8 yards. I’ve been taking the weight progression pretty slow as I don’t want to aggravate anything in my shoulders.
So as it sits I’m shooting
26lbs on the fingers @ 28.5” (ish) DL
Full length 730 carbonones @ about 314grains finished weight
I’ve heard being closer or in the lower 30lbs would be better but I don’t know if I’ll be there at that point.
Thanks!


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when i started shooting field rounds i was told i would need 194 fps to keep my sight on target at 80 yards