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Tiller Bolt inintial set up

996 views 16 replies 5 participants last post by  Qckslvr  
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So I was reading some older threads. and am trying to come up with a starting point so to speak for my new to me used risers. I have a Win & Win Winact 23" and a Fivics Titan X2 25".

From what I read, I should screw in my tiller bolts until they bottom out. Then unscrew them counting how many turns it takes to remove the tiller from the riser. At that point return the tiller to the riser to about 50% and adjust the limbs to either a negative or positive position. (my wife is three under and I am split) Also not to go past no more than 30% tiller bolt left in the riser.

The other method I read is to use a bow scale. My wife has a 25" draw length. So her 22 pound limbs on her 23" riser should measure out to 24 pounds. Once neutral is found at said draw weight, then adjust for neutral to positive limb adjustment for her three under style. I may have gotten that backwards.

please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
Also I used to not play around with my plunger button on spring tension I used to set it to 1/8" movement with 1lb weight on it as I was not that great of a shot with recurve (come to think about it I am not a great shot with compound either)
plunger set up is a another can of worms I am saving for a later date....
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Then, setting tiller [the difference between top and bottom limb] depends on shooting style; if you are shooting split finger [and thus presumedly not crawling] generally a positive tiller [where the distance between the limb and the string] is neutral to slightly greater on top [typically up to 6mm or 1/4"]; for bare bow/crawling many prefer a negative tiller [where the measurement is greater at the bottom limb], and this depends on how deep one needs to crawl to achieve their point of aim.

But back to initial tiller, don't assume the general things you read online work for every riser and check the manual or consult the manufacturer.
understood.... I shall try to reach out to W&W and see if they still have information on the Winact. Last thing I want to do is damage the riser, or have an accident for that mater.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Those are ge general guidelines that do not always translate to all risers. The best thing to do is to contact the manufacturers [although honestly it can be difficult to get a clear answer from W&W; I've gotten tiller bolt advice from their CS that contradicts what was in the manual...] Take Hoyt for example- all their later risers you can only turn the bolts out six turns from full in; on the other hand turning the bolts all the way in on my W&W risers will damage the limbs. Another method is to look at how the back side of the bolt face contacts the limb; Kaminski has some videos on this technique.
I found one W&W's older model manuals on the web. And all it says is not to exceed factory tiller bolt position more than 2 turns either direction. But they do not state factory position. But if I go by the pictures for both the older W&W and newer W&W factory setting looks simple enough. Bottom of the tiller bolt is flush with the top of the riser frame.

As for Fivics.... their stuff is hard to find. And I don't think there is a Fivics dealer around me. So I may just go with the W&W tiller start point, check the draw weight, and adjust from their. I did note that the Fivics tiller bolt is 10 turns from top to bottom of the thread.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
thank you all for the replies.

I asked two pro shops near me over the weekend, and both told me "bring in the riser in and we will set it up for you." That may be the easy way, but I want to learn about my bows, not just hand them off.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Just a caution- some pro shops are really not all that good with recurves as they are mostly compound and cross bow oriented- not all obviously some are great at both- a test is do they sell both? However, that said I think your last statement is the key- yup there is a learning curve with dyi, and yup you can make some mistake but when you learn to set up your own bow you will learn by doing and it will be your bow. In the future when you want to make changes to the set up you are the one that can do them. Same is true for arrow fletching - I have a forest of arrow mistake at my house but I am happy now with what I can do building my own, now what to do with that forest of old arrows.
I know that the pro at one pro shop is definitely good with barebow. Seen him shoot at the range barebow a few times, and is an excellent shot.

I will say here in the Bay Area, I always see more recurves of all styles than compound. And both pro shops carry both, but one shop does carry a lot more recurves than the other.

as for arrows.... short picket fence?
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
For any one out there that wishes to know.. On a Fivics Titan X2, EX, and NX the tiller bolt is 5 turns out from where you can no longer see threads on the tiller bolt.

Thanks Jason @ Fivics :)