It's a new Hoyt, simple as that.

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It's just a way if slightly changing riser geometry. Interesting, and might be useful for balancing the draw for barebow, but unlikely to be a game changer for the average shooter.

 

Some extra ability to tinker and tune. For the elites, probably helps in really getting shot feel dialed in. For the rest of us, overkill I suspect lol

 

I think most of the people selling in the forums are barebow archers getting ready to purchase a 27” or 29” something or other. Love mine for full target setup.

 

I sold mine because it was a spare that I planned to setup as a lighter indoor bow and barebow, but ultimately decided not to use it this season. I still shoot my other Xceed because it’s a great riser. The STT is really neat and does allow you to change the feel without significantly changing the tune. They are very straight and the finish is gorgeous.


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I will tell you this much. If Brady would have switched to an Exceed, you couldn't
have kept them on here for more than 5 min. I have had mine up for 9 days, and
a few nibbles. If people tell you they don't care what the pro's shoot, and their going
to shoot whatever riser they want, their lying through their teeth. People do shoot
whatever the pros shoot because the pros are shooting it. Nuff said.

 

Aren't two of the top BB archers shooting the Xceed? Vegas will be a bell weather. HPX vs Xceed...

 

Or not. Because the top shooters will always be the top shooters, regardless of what riser they use. Risers matter so little...

 

I know that everytime I post on AT, original Winact risers go through the roof.

 

Casey Kaufhold is shooting the Exceed indoors this year. There is nothing wrong with the riser! OK for the tuning nuts but the average user will over think it and probably grow frustrated with all the configurations and weight options for the riser.

I like the Epic riser even with the crappy limb alignment...(washers)

 

Casey Kaufhold is shooting the Exceed indoors this year. There is nothing wrong with the riser! OK for the tuning nuts but the average user will over think it and probably grow frustrated with all the configurations and weight options for the riser.

I like the Epic riser even with the crappy limb alignment...(washers)

I'm enjoying my Epik - I especially like the pro-dowel system since you don't have to unstring the bow to adjust the washers. All moot now since Hoyt now uses the side-screw alignment system.

 

 

A tinker's dream!

 

Agreed with what Limbwalker said.

 

The test would be "over" if top archers shot sub-par equipment against their main competition. So, Sjef vs Ellison what does Sjef show up with?

It's good people live their dreams but, nightmares are dreams too. Now that's funny.

Again, I know that a top archer is going to be hard to beat but, equipment matters. Just look at what the top archers are shooting. Any objective person is able to conclude. Testing is never over...LOL.

 

And that's exactly how equipment manufacturers stay in business. By convincing people there is always something better out there. LOL

Sjef and Ellison show up with whatever their sponsors want them to shoot. How do you think they make their living as professional archers? From prize money? LOL

 

I thought Sjef shot two 9s, but either way. The opposition doesn’t matter if the score can’t be improved (or improved much) with better gear. To test the hypothesis of equipment/archer you don’t need opposition full stop. One archer, varied equipment. For generalisability obviously, you would do the same with multiple archers - but it is their scores with different equipment that are important, not versus each other. If more data helps, my scores didn’t change a scrap going from SF Axiom + limbs to Winact VTs. I fall into the VERY amateur category. My bow looks much cooler now though.

I would also add that having “tuned” arrows is more likely to improve his score than spending another $1500 on limbs and riser.

Regardless, it is probably a more salient point for those of us shooting ‘mid-range’ gear. Nothing to be gained by going top of the range.

 

Take the original Earl Hoyt geometry, slap on W&W style dovetail limb adjustments, push the weight to the limb pockets (with the option of adding more weights) and you got yourself the first ILF riser worth switching to since the GMX :wink:

Same for the ATF-X. Pick your poison.

Though, I'm really not sold on the string tension technology. Just adding more moving parts, more stuff to come loose, more stuff to break. Not a big deal, either way. Imho. I'll test one before I try selling it to anyone.

It'll outshoot everyone lurking on this forum, anyways :darkbeer:

 

I'm selling my only-used-for-about-200-shots Gillo GT b/c it just doesn't quite line up with me in terms of what I want a bow to feel like. My scores are just as good with it as my other risers so the riser isn't a "problem" in any way. So, it's posted here.. I'm just considering that I "rented" it and am now passing it on. I'm not sure if anyone else is doing this, but I do it fairly frequently. Maybe that's part of the XCeed postings we're seeing here.

 

I stand corrected. Casey Kaufhold is now shooting the Formula Xi Riser.

 

Having been up close and personal with one this weekend, nothing. They are an awesome riser.


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I have 2. They both are good risers, I also have 2 WFX 25’s. The Hoyt doesn’t feel as stiff on the shot, but the WFX in my humble opinion balances better with less added weights. Speaking BB wise anyway.

 

If you go to minute 6:25 to 6:30, you will hear Sjef said, "if we increased the distance the results would be different".

In the BB community there isn't much money being passed around for archers, so if cheaper gear would give the same results then they (BB) archers would be using it.
Saving the money for entry-fees, travel, hotel and rentals.

To make a generalized statement that top recurve archers are only shooting newer gear to sell equipment is, IMO, short sighted. Trying to give a simple answer to a complex question. Almost, like saying AT is using members with 1000 plus comments to sell and promote this discussion board.

I'm glad the archers I shoot with are much more open-minded and willing to talk about ideas and issues without a blanket, the science is settled attitude.